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American politics is now a very ‘us and them’ world. Insiders know the privilege of power, but loyalties can shift and elections can make doors slam shut. 

Cassidy Hutchinson, who worked in the Trump administration, knows both sides. She was a dedicated White House staffer who’s best known for her stunning testimony to the January 6 committee. 

Us & Them host Trey Kay spoke with Hutchinson about her memoir Enough, which offers an intimate portrayal of life on the inside and a failed effort to stay in power. Hutchinson faced decisions some of her former superiors refused, including those who defied subpoenas to testify before a Congressional committee. 

This episode provides a front row seat to the beginnings of a legal saga that may hold an influence over this year’s elections. 

This episode of Us & Them is presented with support from the West Virginia Humanities Council and the CRC Foundation.

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An adult woman raises her right hand during a public conference. She wears a white blazer and black shirt underneath.
Cassidy Hutchinson, former aide to Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, was sworn in before testifying to the House select committee investigating the January 6 attacks on the US Capitol on June 28, 2022.

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A young woman in a light blue shirt smiles for the camera. In the distance, is the White House.
Cassidy Hutchinson photographed outside of the White House at a time when she was a student at Christopher Newport University and participating in the White House Internship Program.

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A man and two women stand in front of cameras. The man is Donald Trump. He appears to be answers questions from reporters.
Cassidy Hutchinson and Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany stand behind as former President Donald Trump speaks to the press aboard Air Force One after a campaign event in Wisconsin.

“So within not even three years, I went from being a complete outsider to traveling on Air Force One with the President, almost everywhere he went. I’m at the last rally. It was in Wisconsin. I just sort of took a moment to myself and I just started walking around weaving in and out of all the supporters. I wanted to take that moment in. I’m looking around at all of these people … and I caught myself thinking, ‘These people are being duped. These people are being lied to,’ and they’re looking at him with so much hope and faith in their eyes. And I caught myself thinking that and I just sort of like snapped myself out of it. I felt like I was completely caught between two worlds.” — Cassidy Hutchinson

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Watch Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony to the House select committee investigating the January 6 attacks on the US Capitol.

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