Us & Them: We The People [But Not So Much] Women

Many assume the U.S. Constitution guarantees equal rights for all, but its authors didn’t seem to envision women as part of “We the people.” On the next episode of Us & Them, host Trey Kay speaks with law professor Jill Hasday, whose new book We the Men argues that women are systematically forgotten in America’s founding stories—and that exclusion has powerful symbolic and emotional consequences.

Many Americans assume the U.S. Constitution guarantees men and women equal rights. But the authors of the Constitution did not consider women as part of ‘We the people.’ 

In fact, the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment provides far fewer protections for gender as a protected category than it does for race, religion or national origin. 

In this episode of Us & Them, host Trey Kay hears from author Jill Hasday, a law professor at the University of Minnesota whose new book “We the Men” lays out an unfinished agenda for women’s equality. 

Hasday says women are systematically forgotten in America’s most important stories about itself and there are important symbolic and emotional consequences from that exclusion. 

This episode of Us & Them is presented with support from The Greater Kanawha Valley Foundation.

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Jill Elaine Hasday is a Distinguished McKnight University Professor and the Centennial Professor of Law at the University of Minnesota Law School. She teaches and writes about antidiscrimination law, constitutional law, family law, and legal history.

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“I have [America’s] 250th anniversary firmly on my calendar, and I believe it’s an important moment when people are truly listening. There will be many speeches asking, ‘What is America?’ and ‘What is American history?’ The centennial tells the story of how the founders established self-government, yet most Americans were denied self-government—and that omission must be part of our founding story. A hundred years later, Reagan essentially echoed the same sentiment. My hope for the nation’s 250th anniversary is that we tell the whole American story: both the founders’ tremendous achievements and the limitations that mean we are still working toward that promise. It’s not a sad story; it’s one of ongoing progress. We can all be part of that democratic project. It wasn’t completed in 1776—women, who make up half the population, deserve to be in those stories just as much as men.”

Jill Elaine Hasday, author of We the Men: How Forgetting Women’s Struggles for Equality Perpetuates Inequality

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“It took me a long time to be perfectly candid and to come up with a title. What I like about ‘We the Men’ is that our Constitution famously begins ‘we the people’—the best part of the document. From there, it goes downhill. The Constitution is supposed to speak for and empower the people to govern themselves, but in reality, everyone behind it has been a man. As my book’s subtitle suggests, women are systematically forgotten in America’s dominant narratives, which helps perpetuate their inequality. Sometimes even when people tell stories about women, they’re overlooked. How did women make progress? Men decided one day to hand it to them, instead of acknowledging that women—and male allies—had to fight enormous resistance. It wasn’t just spontaneous enlightenment; it’s also the forgetting that there’s still work to be done. People in 21st-century America have been saying that sex equality has been an issue since before the 19th Amendment ‘gave’ women the vote.”

Jill Elaine Hasday, law professor at the University of Minnesota

Activist Phyllis Schafly wearing a “Stop ERA” badge, demonstrating with other women against the Equal Rights Amendment in front of the White House, Washington, D.C.

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Jill Elaine Hasday reflects the legacy of Phyllis Schlafly:

On the Can-Do Attitude Argument:
“Her anti-feminist manifesto, The Power of the Positive Woman, argues that if you don’t have a can-do attitude, you won’t succeed—much like a Horatio Alger story. But the flip side is that failure is blamed solely on a lack of effort, even though many hardworking women who demonstrate relentless determination still miss out on opportunities.”

On Privilege and Empathy:
“Schlafly had an extraordinarily privileged position. She married a wealthy lawyer who shared her far-right views and financed her entire operation, enjoyed household help for her six children, and maintained a supportive, if unconventional, feminist marriage. Yet she seemed to have little empathy for women struggling in harsher circumstances.”

On Media Savvy and Debating Style:
“She was always impeccably groomed, with a beautiful posture and a perfectly styled suit—qualities that made her a master of television and debate. Her cool, collected demeanor in the face of ridiculous arguments could be both admirable and infuriating to her opponents.”

On the Obstacles to Women’s Success:
“One reason I mention Phyllis Schlafly so often in the book is that she sets the template for decades of anti-feminism that persist today. She argues that equality has been achieved—and yet claims that whatever feminists ask for would be disastrous. For example, anti-feminists testify before Congress that there are no obstacles to women’s success, even as they oppose paid leave. They ask, what prevents women from working full time? For many, the reality of childcare—a need for safe, quality care when you have three young children—remains a formidable barrier. You can’t simply bootstrap your way out of a baby needing constant attention.”

Women’s Liberation Parade in New York City in the summer of 1971.

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“I don’t think the current Congress is going to pass a statute recognizing the ERA, so I’m not holding my breath for the next two years. In my mind, there’s no deadline for Congress recognizing the ERA; as I said, the Supreme Court has never denied recognition to an amendment that Congress accepts.”

Jill Elaine Hasday

Effort By W.Va. Dems To Protect Equal Rights Amendment Fails

West Virginia House Democrats failed on Monday to stop the progression of a Republican majority-backed resolution to rescind the state’s ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment.

The state Senate moved quickly Friday to approve the resolution, declaring that the Equal Rights Amendment — the constitutional ban on sex discrimination — expired in 1979. All 23 Senate Republicans were sponsors of the measure, including three women. It passed on a voice vote without debate or discussion and was sent to the House for consideration.

House Minority Whip Del. Shawn Fluharty motioned Monday to reject the Senate message and block the resolution from being sent to the House Rules Committee, calling it “disgusting” and “a stain” on the state of West Virginia.

“It’s a stain on our state, a stain on our country for us to even be taking this up. Yet, here we are today moving this forward in the House. On what day? Valentine’s Day. Happy Valentine’s Day, West Virginia women. Happy Valentine’s Day: The West Virginia Legislature thinks you don’t count,” he said. “That’s the message we’re sending … It’s disgusting.”

“What we need is a message that we’re not going to tolerate this crap, that we’re not going to play these games, that we’re going to get back to business actually helps West Virginians,” he continued.

Republican Del. Paul Espinosa said the resolution should go through the committee process so lawmakers can better understand and properly debate it, a sentiment echoed by fellow Republican Del. Dianna Graves.

“I also believe in the equal rights of women, and to me, it’s almost a little disgusting that in this day and age, we still have to even debate the merits of that,” she said. “Be that as it may, that’s not what this resolution is really about at the core.”

Graves said ratification of the Equal Protection Act had a time limit on it, which was expired.

“I happen to think that the way we craft legislation at the federal or the state level, it matters if you put time limits in it,” she said. “I think that we should allow it to go through the committee process and not be diverted.”

Fluharty’s motion was blocked by Republicans 75-18.

West Virginia ratified the amendment in April 1972, the same year that Congress sent it to the states. States were given seven years to ratify, then the deadline was extended to 1982. The amendment wasn’t approved by the required three-quarters of states before the deadline.

In January 2020, Virginia lawmakers approved the amendment, becoming the 38th and final state needed. But the Justice Department said in an opinion that month that the vote was too late. In March 2021 a federal judge agreed, dismissing a lawsuit filed by three Democratic state attorneys general that had sought to force the federal government to recognize Virginia’s vote.

The West Virginia Senate resolution, which was introduced Thursday, declared that the state’s approval expired in 1979. In giving a description of the measure, Jefferson County Republican Patricia Rucker said it “just clarifies that the resolution that was passed by the Legislature is no longer valid.”

In 2020, the Democratic-led U.S. House voted to remove the 1982 deadline for the amendment’s ratification. The measure has not advanced in the evenly divided U.S. Senate.

On Monday, Democratic Del. Barbara Fleischauer spoke in support of Fluharty’s motion, calling the resolution “a slap in the face to all the people who worked for equal rights. ”

“This is trying to make a technicality out of something that is basic: that all people including women should be treated equally,” she said. “This is a snide, slap, procedural, technical argument.”

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AP reporter John Raby contributed to this report.

W.Va. Senate Rescinds 1972 Equal Rights Amendment Ratification

Updated on Friday, Feb. 11, 2022 at 5:10 p.m.

The Republican-led West Virginia Senate moved quickly Friday to rescind the state’s ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment, declaring that it expired in 1979.

All 23 Senate Republicans were sponsors of the measure, including three women. It passed on a voice vote without debate or discussion and now goes to the House of Delegates.

In a statement later, Senate Minority Leader Stephen Baldwin of Greenbrier County said “it’s a sad commentary that in America in 2022 equal rights are still being debated. We should be moving forward, not backward. Women deserve be treated equally under the law; that should not be controversial.”

The American Civil Liberties Union’s West Virginia chapter issued a statement that it will fight the resolution as it heads to the House.

“It is outrageous that the Senate would go back on its commitment that woman should have equal rights to men,” the ACLU said.

West Virginia ratified the amendment in April 1972, the same year that Congress sent it to the states. States were given seven years to ratify, then the deadline was extended to 1982. The amendment wasn’t approved by the required three-quarters of states before the deadline.

In January 2020, Virginia lawmakers approved the amendment, becoming the 38th and final state needed. But the Justice Department said in an opinion that month that the vote was too late. In March 2021 a federal judge agreed, dismissing a lawsuit filed by three Democratic state attorneys general that had sought to force the federal government to recognize Virginia’s vote.

The West Virginia Senate resolution, which was introduced Thursday, declared that the state’s approval expired in 1979. In giving a description of the measure, Jefferson County Republican Patricia Rucker said it “just clarifies that the resolution that was passed by the Legislature is no longer valid.”

When Rucker urged adoption of the measure and asked if anyone had questions, no one else spoke. The vote voice was then taken, and some in the chamber gave a no vote.

“Clarifying that WV wants to rescind their ERA ratification when there is a procedural chance it could actually become ratified is perhaps the most @WVGOP thing I could dream up,” Kayla Young, a Democrat in the GOP-led House of Delegates, said on Twitter.

It took about 75 seconds from the time the resolution was introduced to its adoption. Baldwin said it was moved to a vote immediately after Rucker described it, leaving no time for discussion.

“The process is for the chair to call for discussion after she introduces it,” Baldwin said. “She treated it like a bill offering to answer questions which is not resolution procedure. But the chair then called for a vote.”

Baldwin questioned the purpose of the supermajority GOP’s resolution.

“What needs to be clarified? What’s really going on here?” he said. “I think West Virginians are clear. Women deserve equal and fair treatment under the law.”

In 2020 the Democratic-led U.S. House voted to remove the 1982 deadline for the amendment’s ratification. The measure has not advanced in the evenly divided U.S. Senate.

Debate has swirled over what the amendment, which guarantees men and women equal rights under the law, would do.

According to supporters, the amendment would offer stronger protections in sex discrimination cases and give Congress firmer ground to pass anti-discrimination laws and other protections. Opponents say the measure could be used to erase protections such as workplace accommodations during pregnancy.

Anti-abortion activists have warned that abortions rights supporters could use the amendment to eliminate abortion restrictions on the grounds that they discriminate against women.

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