LGBTQ Rights Leaders Weigh In On 2024 Session

On this episode of The Legislature Today, lawmakers have introduced bills this session that they say protect single-sex spaces. Advocates with LGBTQ rights organizations, though, say the legislation follows a pattern of singling out transgender people for discrimination.

On this episode of The Legislature Today, lawmakers have introduced bills this session that they say protect single-sex spaces. Advocates with LGBTQ rights organizations, though, say the legislation follows a pattern of singling out transgender people for discrimination.

Curtis Tate spoke with Eli Baumwell, interim executive director of the ACLU-WV, and Isabella Cortez, Gender Policy Manager for Fairness West Virginia, about those efforts.

In the House, five bills on third reading were approved, including two that fostered some debate over election laws, voting laws and candidate filing periods.

In the Senate, the chamber passed and sent two bills over to the House and introduced a separate bill that would change rules for wineries in the state. Briana Heaney has more.

Also, to start the week, education committees in both chambers have focused on supporting students in difficult situations. Chris Schulz has more.

Finally, it was WVU Day at the Capitol, and the growing public, private and academic partnership in workforce development was the leading theme on display.

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The Legislature Today is West Virginia’s only television/radio simulcast devoted to covering the state’s 60-day regular legislative session.

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Welcoming All Climbers In Appalachia

It’s mid-October in Kentucky’s Red River Gorge and the trees are just beginning to take on their autumn colors, as rock climbers from around the world flock to the region. The crunching of dried leaves and clanking of metal safety gear creates a type of rock climber’s soundtrack. But, on this particular weekend, you might also hear ATVs grinding up the trails, bringing wheelchair users to the area. 

This story originally aired in the Dec. 17, 2023 episode of Inside Appalachia.

Two wheelchairs are strapped to the back of an ATV driven by a Lee County Search and Rescue volunteer. The ATV plods down a wide path surrounded by trees full of golden leaves.

Credit: Katie Jo Myers/Adaptive Climbers Festival, 2023

It’s mid-October in Kentucky’s Red River Gorge and the trees are just beginning to take on their autumn colors, as rock climbers from around the world flock to the region. The crunching of dried leaves and clanking of metal safety gear creates a type of rock climber’s soundtrack. But, on this particular weekend, you might also hear ATVs grinding up the trails, bringing wheelchair users to the area. 

Sporting a goofy smile and “surfs up” hand wave, Jono Lewis crouches in an alcove about 30 feet up a climbing route. He’s tied into a neon green rope and using a prosthetic climbing foot he made himself.

Credit: Cail Soria/Adaptive Climbers Festival, 2023

This is the Fourth Annual Adaptive Climbers Festival, which brings together climbers with disabilities from across North America. Sydney Kessler is one of those climbers.

“I’ve been climbing outdoors for now, two days,” Kessler said. 

Sitting in the shade of the cliff, Kessler explains she started climbing indoors about a year ago. There, she learned some tricks like wearing knee pads to avoid bruises, because she doesn’t have much feeling or use of her legs from a spinal cord injury.

“For me, my climbing, it’s basically 20 pull ups in a row,” she said. “And to figure out where I can grab my fingers into a hole or use a palm down method and try to push with one hand and pull with the other.”

Every climber at this festival finds their own adaptations and accommodations to their different disabilities – visual and neurological or limb differences. And the camping and transportation accommodations are just as varied as the climbing styles. The festival planning crew considered all of this when choosing the location.  

Wearing an orange helmet and royal blue harness, Brian Liebenow holds onto the rock above his head looking down for the best place to move his feet. The green tinted sandstone looks like dragon scales in the morning light.

Credit: Katie Jo Myers/Adaptive Climbers Festival, 2023

“For the Adaptive Climbers Festival, we have such a very specific list of needs,” said Maureen Beck, who goes by Mo.

Mo is an internationally decorated climber born without her lower left arm and one of the festival organizers. 

The Red River Gorge is known simply as “The Red” to climbers. And while it’s renowned as some of the best climbing in the world for its overhanging sandstone cliffs or “crags,” Mo says that’s not why the festival landed here.

“As you can imagine, there’s world class climbing, you know, all over the country that have excellent, world class festivals,” she said. “But you can’t get a wheelchair to the base of the crag, or you don’t have enough cabins for people to sleep in because they can’t sleep in tents because of their medical conditions.”

“And so, for us, The Red fit this very narrow need of: accessible crags, accessible lodging and camping. And then a community that can support it. Because we’ve had this festival in two other locations, and the support we have gotten from the local climbers, local business owners here is unparalleled to any place we’ve had this.” 

One of those local businesses is the Lago Linda’s Hideaway Campground, where the festival lodging is based.

Mo said, “The owners here at Lago Linda’s are going above and beyond to retrofit their bathrooms to meet ADA compliance. They’re adding ramps to all of their cabins and buildings. They off the cuff, booked a band for Saturday night because they want everybody to have a good time.”

Larry and Elaine Fredrickson run Lago Linda’s Hideaway. They’ve added grab bars to the shared bathrooms and ensured the showers are large enough for wheelchairs and other mobility aids. 

Before the event kicked off, Elaine explained the simple reason why they do all this.

She said, “Once you sit up and look at the sky at night and you see those stars, it’s just beautiful and peaceful. Nobody should be denied that. Nobody.”

Larry and Elaine Fredrickson stand next to one another, both smiling. Elaine is in a dark blue Lago Linda t-shirt. Larry, with his arm around Elaine, is wearing their campground branded sweatshirt with the image of a hiker, a biker and a climbing woman on the front.

Credit: Maureen Beck/Adaptive Climbers Festival, 2022

Another major part of the community system for the festival is the Muir Valley Nature Preserve and Climbing Area where the adaptive athletes climb and teach their clinics.

Like at the campground, ramps and railings were added for the event. 

Zane Paff, a local search and rescue volunteer and one of the valley’s caretakers, says Muir Valley and the search and rescue crews from surrounding counties support the festival with transportation in ATV buggies.

“Lee County will bring in their buggy and the Wolfe County will bring in their buggy, which these are just razors,” Paff said. “We call them our rescue buggies. And then it’s just a day of playing taxi and having fun.”

He says riding in an ATV was new for most of the climbers last year. 

Paff said, “I mean they were joking around having a blast and psyching me up. None of them been in an ATV. So, I’m like, ‘well, hold on.’”

“I had a little bit of fun with it, but made sure we were being safe, too.”

He said, “And Muir Valley doesn’t allow any electric or motorized vehicles except for this event, actually. And we’re only using it for like anybody in a wheelchair if they’re missing a limb, can’t get themselves too ‘bruise brothers.’ We’ll drop them right off at the climb that they want to go up.”

In a bright teal shirt and white helmet, Sydney Kessler looks down after climbing to the top of a beautiful gray and orange rock face. She smiles as she steadies herself with her hands at the top of the sandstone wall.

Credit: Brittany Morguelan/Adaptive Climbers Festival, 2023

After Kessler finished one of those climbing routes, which is one of the many climbs she’s done with the help of Paff and his ATV, she says this sport reminds her of her recovery.

“When you go on a wall, you don’t exactly know what’s ahead, and you just kind of figure it out as you go. And then eventually make it to the top. So, I feel like it shows you how to do hard things and that gives you the confidence to believe that you can continue to do hard things, even if you don’t really know exactly what you’re getting yourself into.”

Something else she learned she could do this weekend was camping.

“I was like, I don’t know how I’m gonna sleep in a tent,” Kessler said. “And like pressures – like there’s a lot of things that you have to think about when you have a disability … like pressure points or just getting in and out of a tent, like transferring from a wheelchair to a tent. 

“I didn’t know how exactly that would work, but I went straight from the chair down to the tent floor.”

A climber in a dark blue, puffy coat holds a plate of pancakes and bacon while they choose between different types of syrup. A label reading “blueberry” can be seen on one of the mason jars of sweet homemade goodness. Every meal at the Adaptive Climbers Festival is shared, including breakfast.

Credit: Katie Jo Myers/Adaptive Climbers Festival, 2023

She says it’s the support of her adaptive family that makes it possible.

“Even just a couple minutes ago, I was at the top, my arms were burning, I had to give it a little shakeout,” she said. “And you listen to it, when you’re up on the wall. You listen to all the people behind you, cheering you on. And it’s a truly supportive community. It’s hard to find that supportive community that doesn’t treat you in a certain way because of your disability, but they’re there to support you. And however they can, to help you do what you want to do. 

“It’s literally like a mindset of whatever it takes to get you to where you want to go, that you have the people power to do it.”

And the “people power” is exactly what Mo emphasizes, too. Much of the climbable land in The Red, and throughout Appalachia, is owned by individual people or private organizations. 

This is in contrast to the western United States where many climbing areas fall under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management, or other public land governance.

In fact, nearly 60 percent of all climbing in the U.S. is on federally managed land, making The Red, and other such areas in and around Appalachia, unique. The folks who run Muir Valley can reserve cliffs for special groups because they own the land. It was a quick conversation, Mo says, when they asked to use the area for the festival. 

“They were more than willing to shut down crags for us. One of them was one of the most popular crags in the entire gorge.” 

And that’s not the only part of the Appalachian landscape that makes it a good fit for this event.

Mo said, “Most of the walking paths here are dirt and soft and gentle. They’re not like rocky scraggy things. And when you stop to think about it, so many of them are on these old, or even currently used, oil roads or logging roads, and it’s just gentle.”

Climbing areas throughout Appalachia feature these access roads that are currently used by or left by extractive industries like timber, natural gas and oil. 

With trails originally forged as logging or oil access roads, they’re much wider, more even and more accessible than what you get at other climbing destinations. 

Many of the trails in Muir Valley are modified logging cuts, making them great for ATVs. You might not be able to follow an access road all the way to the base of a climb, but you can get pretty dang close. This is the case for one of The Red’s most famous areas: The Mother Lode. 

“So, like, we were able to bring one of our wheelchair athletes to The Mother Lode last year. And most of the time, he was still in his chair,” Mo said. “And that’s always a big goal with folks who use chairs, is to keep them in it. A little bit he had to get backpacked and carried. But it’s like a huge dignity and safety thing — the more they can be in their chair, the better for that human.”

A colorful scene of athletes, climbing gear, wheelchairs and trekking poles are scattered at the base of a cliff. Everything has a golden glow from the light beaming through the fall foliage. Ropes of various colors hang in front of the wall waiting to be used.

Credit: Katie Jo Myers/Adaptive Climbers Festival, 2023

“And yeah, for The Motherlode, it was like 80 percent of the time he was in that chair. And you know, not not all of our athletes … I think when people think disabled athletes, I think they think a lot of wheelchairs, but we have a lot of folks with walkers or who use side sticks or who just use trekking poles or you know, we have a lot of athletes whose like, legs work fine, but maybe they can’t carry a pack that far.”

And no matter a person’s disability, they’re welcomed as part of the family. One big family reunion is something heard over and over again. 

So, it makes sense that the small, family run businesses are such an integral part of the gathering. 

Miguel’s Pizza is one of the most well-known local businesses and a staple of the festival lunches. 

With hands covered in white chalk, a climber reaches for a slice of Miguel’s Pizza. The cardboard pizza box is open showing off slices full of cheese, mushrooms, onions and green peppers.

Credit: Katie Jo Myers/Adaptive Climbers Festival, 2023

Paff says Miguel’s is emblematic of the festival vibe.

“Like you see over at Miguel’s, it’s just like families running businesses and even Lago Linda’s is family owned and operated. So, like, you’re just getting a big, warm welcome when you come down here.”

But Kentucky’s Red River Gorge isn’t the only Appalachian climbing destination serving as a home base for niche festivals. HomoClimbtastic is the largest, queer-friendly climbing gathering in the world. 

And for over a decade, they’ve called Fayetteville, West Virginia their home, climbing in the New River Gorge.

“They’re putting together window displays full of color for us, right? To see pride flags all over town, at almost every business, it can make you cry. Yeah,” said Jay Dempsey, on how the town shows their support.

He says Fayetteville being a small town facilitates climbers and locals actually connecting. For example, when picking out a place for dinner.

“You’re gonna choose from one of, you know, 10 restaurants, probably a locally-owned, family restaurant. You’re going to feel more connected to the town where you’re staying. You’re going to feel that reason why all the locals choose to live there.” 

Several colorful hammocks hang in between trees near the base of a cliff in the New River Gorge for the 2019 HomoClimbtastic event. A large silver gray rock is in the foreground with small brown lichen speckled across it. Below the rocks climbers organize their gear.

Credit: Taylor Smith/HomoClimbtastic, 2019

For nearly the whole life of the festival, HomoClimbtastic has been hosted at the whitewater guide company and campground, Cantrell Ultimate Rafting.

“I don’t have anybody else on the phones this time of year because we’re getting ready to shut her down,” said Cantrell Ultimate Rafting owner Nancy Cantrell.

Cantrell’s is the only family owned and operated raft guide company in West Virginia. Cantrell and her husband Richie are ‘West by God’ born and raised, and they’ve seen the shift in the economy in Fayetteville over the years, spurred on by groups of rafters and climbers. 

Cantrell said, “We grew up here. We grew up in Hinton, an hour and 15 minutes south and, of course, rural West Virginia and southern West Virginia is not greatest for employment anymore, because we’ve lost the coal industry.” 

“So, high price jobs aren’t there.” 

“Most of us are dependent on the tourist industry, unless you’re a school teacher, pretty much. So, any type of gathering like this and events and large numbers of people that come in really helps that economy. But, the HomoClimbtastics, they go out, they eat at several different local eateries. They shop in the outfitter stores for equipment. I mean, they bring a lot of additional income into the area that helps sponsor jobs that people really need in this area.”

Just like how the folks who run the campground in Kentucky installed ramps and grab bars for their camper’s safety, Cantrell also takes precautions to make sure everyone at the queer-friendly event is safe while at Cantrell’s.

She said, “Now, I close my campus when they come. It is their campus. This is their home while they’re here. You got a common bathhouse, I don’t have to worry that there’s any kind of altercation going on or an issue, things like that. It’s just a nice safe environment for em.”

The support and protection is certainly felt by the climbers.

“In a world where there is a difference between accepting and welcoming, they’re incredibly welcoming,” Dempsey said. “It’s warm … they learn everyone’s name. It’s just a great place to kind of call home for our weekend.”

Chris Jones climbs an intimidating overhang. His chalk bag dangles from his harness emphasizing the steepness of the climb and his blue rope trails behind him popping against the yellow colored West Virginia rock.

Credit: Taylor Smith/HomoClimbtastic, 2019

Jason Traylor, another member of the HomoClimbtastic crew, said Fayetteville feels like a safe location because it’s rural, but not totally isolated. 

“Having a place that’s not remote allows you to have more safety protocols and things of that nature. Because that’s like a huge thing with any queer event — to be able to get help that we may need.”

Jason Traylor holds onto a rocky cliff face in West Virginia’s New River Gorge during HomoClimbtastic 2022. With his arms reaching high, he bends deep into his right leg while fully extending his left, to balance his body on the wall.

Credit: Jason Traylor/HomoClimbtastic, 2022

Both the adaptive and queer climbing communities have within them even more diversity than their niche names suggest. And it’s important to say that many climbers of color within these communities and beyond, don’t always feel at home in Appalachian climbing destinations. Jason, who’s Black, says he’s always felt safe and welcomed at HomoClimbtastic, but…

“I’ve talked to like other BIPOC [Black, indigenous, and people of color] people, when I go in these areas. They feel, you know, just the stares even if they’re not judgmental stares. They’re just stares, but who’s to say what they mean?”

Back in Kentucky, festival goers sit on a long wooden bench waiting to climb. Kareemah Batts, a Black adaptive climber, waits for her turn. And she says there’s safety in numbers. 

“Oh, I feel safe right here with my homies. I feel great. When I’m on my way here, no, no,” Batts said.

She goes on to say that she would not feel safe coming to The Red on her own. “I gotta be with a safe group of some sort. Something.”

It’s only in recent years that conversations about race and inclusion have been embraced by climbing culture as a whole. 

Kareemah Batts ties a knot in her climbing rope attaching it to her harness. The sun shines across her face, illuminating her smile as she looks out at her fellow climbers at the Adaptive Climbers Festival. Yellow and orange ropes are suspended around her for others to use.

Credit: Katie Jo Myers/Adaptive Climbers Festival, 2023

“Things happening in 2020 allowed me to be a little bit more open about how I’ve always felt like the last 12 years, because I’ve always been the Black paraclimber — all the time,” Batts said.

“I enjoy being in the space. I enjoy my community overall. But there’s there’s certain instances when I’ve traveled or, you know, I kind of feel like I’m on the outside looking in,” she said.

There are some initiatives within the climbing community at large to do things like change the names of climbing routes, originally using racist or bigoted terms. Batts has been part of some of these efforts.

 “Are you  gonna make everyone feel safe? Impossible, but can you improve it? Yes,” she said.

Jason Traylor from HomoClimbtastic says the name changes benefit everyone, not just select groups of people.

“I think it makes it more welcoming as, like, not just like for individuals, but also for the mainstream family, you know,” Traylor said. “And just like to understand, we as human beings evolve. And so that means if we as human beings evolve, that means our communities must evolve with it.”

Nancy Cantrell has been around long enough to see her community of Fayetteville, West Virginia evolve, because she says, of the influence of those who came originally for the whitewater and the rocks.

“A lot of those initial outdoor adventurers that came into the area to enjoy the area, ended up moving here,” she said. “They’re adults now. Some of them are in their 60s.” 

“So, their kids have come up in the school system. And now their kids have got kids in the school system. They’ve certainly demonstrated their commitment to the area and proven it. And I think the locals that actually were born here, see that and respect that. And, you know, it’s a very blended, eclectic, little community.” 

“For southern West Virginia, it’s an anomaly. And it’s been because of the outdoor adventure community that, that is how it’s evolved.”

The outdoor adventure economy, and Kentucky’s Red River Gorge isn’t quite as mature as Fayetteville, but it’s heading in that direction with new signs for kayak and cabin rentals popping up each year. 

Hanna Zook hangs from one arm and a carefully placed foot. Gripping the yellow colored sandstone, she balances herself by dangling her right leg.

Credit: Katie Jo Myers/Adaptive Climbers Festival, 2023

John May, chief of the Wolfe County Search and Rescue, which provides ATVs for the adaptive festival, waves toward a cliff line in the distance from Miguel’s Pizza. 

“It used to be a pasture up there with cattle roaming, and now you might see a cabin,” he said. “You still see the pastures, too. You know, some people don’t want to give that up, but it’s given the local community a way to maybe live a little better life.” 

“A lot of my friends now, they’re building cabins. We built a couple of cabins, and it’s good. It’s a good business.”

May has lived here his whole life, and he says that climbing is bringing a new perspective about the value of the land in the area.

“Because we mainly have farmers and people that work in coal, coal industry, and cliff lines were just a way cattle would fall off and die,” he said with a laugh “and now it’s like, you know, I can build a cabin on that. I can rent that cabin out.”

“So, I think people are starting to see the opportunity in it — not just if you own a business selling food. But maybe you’re a guide. You can go out and make a good living doing that.”

“And it’s really changed how people look at some of the property that they owned for generations, and now they’re gonna make money off of it instead of just raising farm animals.”

The change in perspective goes both ways, though. Mo, the adaptive festival organizer, has climbed all over the world, and she says her opinion of Kentucky changed after actually spending time here.

“Even when I had heard of the Red River Gorge, I was like, ‘ah, Kentucky, like I’ll never love Kentucky,’ like ‘what’s Kentucky?’ Now I’m like, ‘oh my god, can I buy a house in Kentucky, please? It’s one of my favorite places.’” 

“Like, climbing is amazing like that, though. It’s this activity. It’s this hobby. It’s this passion that just lets you see the world through a different lens. Not only because you’re literally on a cliff, a hundred feet up, but because you’re just experiencing places that you’d never think about otherwise.”

And wanting to become even more involved, Mo says they plan to add a community service project to the festival.

“Because, like, I think so many people in our community are used to being served. And I think people are used to serving us. And I would love to flip that around and be like, no, we can also be a part of this community and give service back to it.”

HomoClimbtastic has their own way of giving back. They raise money with their annual drag show for local causes. Last year, the money was given to a safe house for queer youth in Morgantown, West Virginia. And efforts like these are how they’ve become part of the eclectic community in Fayetteville. 

At the annual HomoClimbtastic drag show (2019), Queen Madison S. Monroe checks her nails, showing off her perfectly done makeup including fuchsia eye shadow, long lashes and a burgundy lip. The blue and black sequins of her dress shimmer as she sits dramatically lit waiting for her next cue.

Credit: Taylor Smith/HomoClimbtastic, 2019

Nancy Cantrell says they’re like family. 

“We just fell in love with them. And it is like a reunion for us now.”

This is just how Larry and Elaine Fredrickson talk about the adaptive climbers who come to their campground. 

It’s the last night of the gathering and they heard two climbers who met at the Kentucky Festival last year wanted to get married this year. 

So, they’re pulling out all the stops. Unprompted, arranged for a bluegrass band and a hairdresser for the bride. 

“I love what you did here. So beautiful,” said Elaine, as she brings candles and mason jars to her crew working on the ceremony archway. 

She says the archway and homemade cake are decorated with flowers from the surrounding woods.

“They’re working with natural flowers and lights, all from this area. And we do have some that’s plastic, but, it’s because it’s October.”

They’re busy getting ready, but she gives a quick tour of the party supplies inside.

“We got lights. We got decorations. We have tablecloths. We have champagne for them. It will be on ice, but it’s in the fridge right now.” She says, “We have a guest book, which I think is the most important thing. So, they can go back and see who has attended their wedding.”

Olivia Conforti, the official bride of the Adaptive Climbers Festival in 2023, smiles looking down at a necklace in her hands while getting her hair done. She’s wearing a flower crown of roses and baby’s breath.

Credit: Katie Jo Myers/Adaptive Climbers Festival, 2023

The ceremony was beautiful. And as the night went on, the blended community that’s forming here was on full display. The wooden slats of the dance floor vibrated with bluegrass tunes and rock climbers, some in wheelchairs, some with prosthetics, all dancing. 

Kessler says this was an important moment for her. 

“Like, usually if I’m dancing, I’m with people that are, like, jumping. And that’s great, but I’m usually the only chair user. And so the fact that I’m dancing with other chair users and people that maybe they don’t have your exact circumstance, but they have something or they’re here for some reason … There’s literally no other community like it.”

Mo says that their community service next year could be an accessible trail project or trash cleanup, but no matter what they plan on calling this place home for a while.

Climbers and volunteers from the festival dance at the wedding reception, serving as the event’s big party for 2023. Climbers clap in a circle as the dancer in the middle shows off her wheelchair moves.

Credit: Katie Jo Myers/Adaptive Climbers Festival, 2023

W.Va. Diocese Said It Will Continue To Bless Gay Catholics

The pope affirmed that LGBTQ people are welcome in the church, however he reaffirmed that homosexuality is considered a sin by the church.

Pope Francis announced on Monday that he formally approves allowing priests to bless same-sex couples, as long as they are not for marriage or a blessing of communion. 

The announcement comes as there are growing tensions between some conservative U.S. Catholics and the Pope. However, Mark Brennan, the Diocese of Wheeling-Charleston’s Bishop, said this is not a radical change for the church. He said blessings for gay people is something that parishes in West Virginia are currently doing, and will continue to do. 

“I guess the change is widening the scope of our consciousness of who can receive blessings,” Brennan said. “But all the way along I think people have received blessings whether they were in any kind of union they were in, heterosexual or homosexual.”

Brennan said the document also reaffirms that homosexuality is a sin, and same sex marriage is not supported by the Catholic Church. 

“The Holy Father’s Declaration today in his Fiducia Supplicans On the Pastoral Meaning of Blessings confirms the church’s teaching on the Sacrament of Marriage,” Brennan said. “Which is the exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children.”  

As for the blessings of communion Brennan said that no couple engaging in same-sex sexual activity should receive communion. 

“If they’re, they’re living in a union in which they’re sexually active, and if it’s not a union the church can recognize, then they should not receive Holy Communion. They are welcome to come to mass, they are welcome to pray,” Brennan said. 

The Climbing Climate And Paddle Making, Inside Appalachia

This week on Inside Appalachia, rock climbers with disabilities have found a home in Kentucky’s Red River Gorge, which offers some pumpy crags… Climbers have also been working to make West Virginia’s New River Gorge more inclusive. And a master craftsman, who makes one of a kind whitewater paddles remembers some advice.

This week, rock climbers with disabilities have found a home in Kentucky’s Red River Gorge, which offers some pumpy crags…

Climbers have also been working to make West Virginia’s New River Gorge more inclusive.

And a master craftsman, who makes one of a kind whitewater paddles remembers some advice.

You’ll hear these stories and more this week, Inside Appalachia.

In This Episode:


Adaptive And Inclusive Climbing

The mountains of Appalachia are home to some killer rock climbing, but they’re also accessible for some groups who’ve felt excluded in the past. 

Adaptive sports reporter Emily Chen-Newton covers athletes with disabilities. She brings us this story, exploring why climbing festivals are making a home in Appalachia.

Removing Racist Language From Rock Climbing

In West Virginia, one of the most popular climbing destinations is the New River Gorge. Advanced rock climbers continue to pioneer new climbing routes there. The first people to climb these new routes are called “first ascensionists.” And they get the privilege of naming the routes. But what happens when dozens of those route names are plainly and clearly offensive?

In 2020 and 2021, Zack Harold followed the story of a climber at the New River Gorge who wanted to make the sport he loved more inclusive for his son. 

Crafting A Classic Paddle

Jon Rugh with his wooden paddle at the New River near Blacksburg, VA.

Credit: Clara Haizlett/West Virginia Public Broadcasting

Appalachia has several huge rivers — the New River, the Youghigheny, the Pigeon — so, it’s no surprise whitewater paddling is popular across the region, but it wasn’t all that long ago that modern paddlers first started exploring these rivers, designing their own gear and even building their own paddles. Some of those DIY paddle makers became master crafters.

Folkways Reporter Clara Haizlett followed one. 

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Huntington, Morgantown Again Top Cities On LGBTQ Equality Index

Charleston came close, at 92. All three cities were recognized by the organization as “all stars” with at least an 85.

For the third year in a row, Huntington and Morgantown scored a perfect 100 on the Human Rights Campaign’s municipal equality index.

Charleston came close at 92. All three cities were recognized by the organization as “all stars” with at least an 85. West Virginia is one of 20 states that lack statewide protections against discrimination for sexual orientation and gender identity.

The Human Rights Campaign is a national LGBTQ rights organization based in Washington, D.C.

Out of more than 500 cities the organization scored, 129 received a perfect score. The average among all cities was 71, up from 69 last year and 67 in 2021. Only five cities scored a zero.

In West Virginia, Wheeling scored a 76. Charles Town got a 45 and Lewisburg a 43. Parkersburg scored 13.

The index considers local anti-discrimination laws, the municipality as an employer, law enforcement and local leadership on LGBTQ issues.

Rae Garringer Marks 10 Years Of Country Queers

For 10 years, West Virginia native Rae Garringer has traveled around the country, recording oral history interviews with LGBTQ people in rural areas. Beginning in 2020, they started producing those interviews for a podcast, called Country Queers.

This story originally aired in the Oct. 15, 2023 episode of Inside Appalachia.

For 10 years, West Virginia native Rae Garringer has traveled around the country, recording oral history interviews with LGBTQ people in rural areas. Beginning in 2020, they started producing those interviews for a podcast, called Country Queers.

Garringer is now working on a Country Queers book. Inside Appalachia Host Mason Adams recently talked with them about the project and some of their favorite moments from the last decade of interviews.  

The transcript below has been lightly edited for clarity.

Adams: How did you first conceive the Country Queers project?

Garringer: In some ways, it’s a long story that I’ll try to keep short. I grew up in West Virginia, mostly on the border of Greenbrier and Pocahontas counties. I had never met an out queer person before I left the state for college in western Massachusetts in the early 2000s. And so I really bought into this national narrative that’s existed for a long time that there aren’t queer and trans people in rural places, which meant I ended up spending about 10 years away from home outside the region before finally moving back home in 2011 to 2012.

At that point, I started to see queer people around town at the Walmart, at the state fair, wherever it was I went when I got off the farm, off the mountain. I got frustrated. I felt like, not only had I never been told anything growing up here about the fact that there are queer people here, I also hadn’t seen any evidence of rural queer stories in a national queer media landscape. So I started the project out of those intersecting frustrations and needing for myself to find and meet other rural and small town queer people, and figure out how they were making it work to build a life in a place like this.

Adams: What form did that project first start to take shape? How did you start that journey?

Garringer: It started as, and continues to be, an oral history project at its core. I didn’t have any formal training and oral history or audio recording or interviewing, or anything like that. People ask me, “Why oral histories?” And I don’t actually know if I hadn’t read a bunch of oral history books or studied it or anything, but somehow, just the idea of sitting down with people and asking about their lives was really appealing to me.

I saved up and bought a little Zoom audio recorder and started doing interviews. Some of the first interviews happened with folks I met through the Stay project, which I was a part of at the time before aging out. Then [I] started to slowly gather more interviews, as I would be traveling somewhere to see friends or go to a wedding or wherever I was, I’d kind of reach out to people I knew, to see if they knew any rural queer people. So the project kind of grew organically in that way. It was about seven years of doing oral history interviews, and I wasn’t really sure what the best format was going to be to share them.

The project for many, many years was happening in my free time outside of full-time work and grad school and with basically no budget. The original dream when I started the project was to make a book. I had this sort of overly ambitious idea: I was going to put together a book of photos and interviews from every state in the U.S. But in 2014, when I took a month long road trip and went through only six states and did 30 interviews in 30 days, but drove 7,000 miles, I realized that level of gathering stories over such a wide range was not going to be possible for me.

So yeah, I spent a long time trying to figure out how best to present the stories and also trying to figure out how to have space and time to work with them. I started recording interviews in the summer of 2013, and we didn’t end up launching the podcast til the summer of 2020. So there were a lot of years of slowly plugging away at doing oral history interviews.

The Country Queers podcast.

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Adams: How did you eventually land on that podcast format?

Garringer: I was trying to work on Country Queers for a while, working in rural public schools in West Virginia, where I wasn’t able to be out at work, and then went to grad school to try to get some time for the project. And then ended up at WMMT in Whitesburg, Kentucky. I was the public affairs director there for about three years. At that job, I was responsible for about eight hours a week of radio content. Because of the pace of that job and how small our staff was, I got pretty good at turning around audio pretty quickly. And so really ended up deciding to do the podcast because it felt the most possible for a little DIY project with very little funding and very little time.

At that point, I’d been gathering these stories for seven years. I had, I don’t know, probably over 60 sitting on my hard drive and really wanted to get them out to people. The decision to do a podcast really came down to, it felt like something I’d be able to produce in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of money compared to a book or other ways to present the stories.

Adams: Alright, so here you are 10 years in, you’ve spent countless hours interviewing dozens of people, and put tens of thousands of miles on your car traveling around to do it. What are some of the favorite moments that really stuck with you from this process?

Garringer: Gosh, there’s been so many. It’s really hard to just pick a couple. But it’s interesting, because I’m working on a book about the project right now. Part of what that’s given me is the opportunity, for the first time in this decade of doing this work, to really sit and look at all of it as a collection. One of the things that’s been really fun about working on the book is I still have really vivid memories of each of the interviews. At this point, it’s 90 or more over the course of the decade. But for all of them that have happened in person, which is the majority of them, I can still remember details about the time I spent with people.

I’d say the majority of the interviews have happened in people’s homes. There’s just been such an amazing generosity by people who’ve shared their stories with me. I think about meals that I’ve eaten with people, people’s pets, things I remember about their homes or their property. I really fondly remember, in the first year, an interview I did with someone who has since passed away, who for a variety of reasons was not comfortable using her legal name. The pseudonym that we gave her is Francis. At the time, she was 78. She lived in western Massachusetts, and she was a former nun. And she was just as feisty as can be and started out the interview basically by interviewing me about the project and giving me a bunch of suggestions about what I should change. And she was just delightful. Yes.

Adams: I know from experience that one can’t conduct numerous interviews requiring deep listening without being changed. How have these interviews changed you?

Garringer: Oh, gosh. I think it’s hard for me to even know because it’s been such a huge part of my life for the past decade. It’s very rarely been my full-time job, but it’s been really constant in my brain and my body and my heart this whole decade. And also my own experience, trying to still figure this out for myself as a rural queer person in rural Appalachia. So one thing is, every time I do an interview, I’m a little confused. I’m also so overwhelmed with gratitude for how trusting people are, how generous and vulnerable people are in these oral histories. I think there’s something really special about oral histories between people who have some shared layers of identity, particularly for marginalized communities.

It’s this chance to intentionally sit down together and connect in this way that is really good for us as a species. You know what I mean? To get the chance to sit down and really listen to someone in that way, and really listen to them talk about their life and their memories and the joys, the traumas, all of it, and to make meaning of what it’s resulted in for them — it feels like such a gift to me every time.

I’m still confused why it’s worked, why people agree to talk to me, but it’s just so incredible. I feel like there’s so much wisdom in these interviews that people have gained just through living their lives. A lot of it is about having a sense of humor. And a lot of it is about a sense of resiliency that I think is pretty common among rural queer people across really wide differences in geography and other layers of identity.

Adams: Yeah. Ray Garringer, I’m glad you’re braving through the confusion and the effort that this involves, and that you’re sharing it with us. Thank you so much for coming on Inside Appalachia and speaking with us.

Garringer: Yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

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