Us & Them: Potluck & Politics

For the past four years, Trey Kay has gathered a group of West Virginians — four from the political right and four from the left — for the “Us & Them Dinner Party.” The discussion at this year’s gathering focused on former President Trump’s indictments, abortion laws, diminishing public trust and more.

In a new podcast episode of Us & Them, host Trey Kay invites his dinner party guests to gather once again for some fresh conversation across the divide.

Kay’s friends, old and new, all share a favorite dish at the potluck meal while offering honest and sometimes raw accounts of how the social and political issues of the day affect them. Kay guides the conversation through a range of potential minefields – including the indictments of former President Trump, trust in elections, allegations of government corruption and our nation’s changing abortion laws. 

The show highlights heartfelt disagreements while acknowledging moments of common ground.

This episode of Us & Them is presented with support from the West Virginia Humanities Council, the Daywood Foundation and the CRC Foundation.

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For the past four years, Trey Kay has hosted an Us & Them Dinner Party. The first few gatherings were virtual due to COVID, but for the past two years, the group has met face-to-face to discuss some of the tough issues of our time. This year’s party included Terri Triplett DeLauder (on the upper right gesturing with her hands), Marsha Albert, Jay Gould, Elliot G. Hicks, Kay, David Pendrake, Joe Solomon, Karen Cross and Frank Annie.

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The Us & Them Dinner Party group this year included two city council members, Joe Solomon (green baseball cap) and Frank Annie (in the plaid shirt on the right), who represent different political parties but campaigned together saying they would work together to “get things done.”

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Us & Them host Trey Kay pointed out some of the dessert options on the table for the guests at his dinner party.

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Former Randolph County Resident Pleads Guilty To Voter Fraud

Jon Cooper entered a guilty plea to voting twice in the 2020 general election, once in West Virginia and once in New Mexico.

Jon Cooper entered a guilty plea to voting twice in the 2020 general election, once in West Virginia and once in New Mexico. The case was handled by Randolph County Prosecuting Attorney Michael Parker. The investigation was conducted by Investigator Elise Guice of the Attorney General’s Office at the direction of the Secretary of State’s Investigation Division Director Kimberly Mason.

Randolph County Circuit Court Judge David Wilmoth denied Cooper’s request for deferred adjudication and ordered him to pay a $500 fine.

In 2022, the misdemeanor punishment for illegal voting was changed to a felony crime, but the penalty was still a misdemeanor at the time of Cooper’s illegal voting activity. No word on how Cooper actually voted.

Secretary of State Mac Warner said Cooper’s guilty plea is the second this year for illegal voting in the 2020 election. Warner believes the conviction serves as a deterrent to those who would consider committing similar criminal acts in the upcoming 2024 election.

To report a possible election violation or voter fraud, call toll-free at (877) FRAUD-WV or text “WV” to 45995 to complete a mobile complaint form.

W.Va. Man Fined For Voter Fraud

Richard Fox was sentenced in Fayette County Circuit Court for casting two mail-in ballots – one in West Virginia and one in Florida during the Nov. 3, 2020 election.

A West Virginia man has been convicted of voter fraud after illegally casting more than one ballot during the 2020 presidential election. 

Richard Fox was sentenced in Fayette County Circuit Court for casting two mail-in ballots – one in West Virginia and one in Florida during the Nov. 3, 2020 election.

Secretary of State Mac Warner Thursday announced that Fox was ordered to pay $1,000 and serve a year’s probation for illegal voting during the 2020 election.

Warner said Fox’s actions not only violated the law, but broke the trust of the state’s citizens, and harmed the integrity of every race on his ballot.

The release did not provide any information on who Fox voted for but Warner said his conviction serves as a warning to anyone tempted to commit voter fraud that they will face prosecution.

Warner, a Republican who is running for governor in West Virginia, has often questioned election integrity nationally, but has continued to say that West Virginia elections are safe.  

His office has developed a “See Something, Text Something” cell phone tool that allows residents to submit tips about suspected illegal voting.

Warner made an appearance at the “March for Trump” rally in Charleston after the election, holding up a “Stop the Steal” sign.

He was one of the first GOP election officials to opt to withdraw from the Electronic Registration Information Center (ERIC), a nonpartisan group with a record of combating voter fraud. 

Warner said he has had better success working with his own team to verify and investigate the rolls, as well as collaborating with other states.

Despite Warner’s repeated claims that the 2020 presidential election was stolen, multiple investigations, audits and court cases concluded there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud or improper counting that could have changed the results of the election.

Sec. Warner Testifies Before U.S. House Committee On Voter Confidence, Election Security

The Republican-majority Committee on House Administration plans to use testimony from the hearing to develop a bill known as the American Confidence in Elections Act that would strengthen states’ roles in establishing and administering election laws.

Secretary of State Mac Warner testified Thursday before members of the U.S. House of Representatives about voter confidence in elections, as well as election security measures.

The Republican-majority Committee on House Administration plans to use testimony from the hearing to develop a bill known as the American Confidence in Elections Act that would strengthen states’ roles in establishing and administering election laws.

It would provide states with tools to “boost election integrity and remove outdated federal policies that get in their way,” according to the committee’s website. 

The bill would also prohibit non-citizen voting, allow REAL ID state drivers licenses or identification cards as proof of citizenship, and would create a federal forum that would help states discuss “best practices, paired with model state legislation for state legislatures to consider.”

Warner discussed West Virginia’s constant voter roll updates and technological ease of access as points of interest for the bill. He also mentioned that West Virginia has permanent state funding for voting infrastructure like equipment and maintenance.

“Collectively, these measures build public confidence, which has been reported independently by MIT who put West Virginia near the top of states in voter confidence,” he said in his testimony to the committee.

He also argued for reducing mail-in voting, revisiting the National Voter Registration Act that allows for streamlined voter registration for anyone who applies for a driver’s license and stricter enforcement of election laws.

“Technology has advanced considerably since 1993, and many local election officials, and our state’s Department of Motor Vehicles contend that the DMV should not be registering people to vote,” Warner said. “People can register online using a cell phone, computer, tablet, or other mobile device.”

Warner also echoed allegations from House Republicans like Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, who claim that federal intelligence agencies misinformed the public about the Hunter Biden laptop controversy during the 2020 presidential campaign.

Warner cited the controversy as an example of an election being compromised, though numerous independent experts and courts say there was no significant fraud in the 2020 election, including the U.S. Justice Department and the scientific journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America.

Warner, alongside Rep. Alex Mooney, R-West Virginia, opposed the Biden administration’s Executive Order 14019, “Promoting Access to Voting,” last June, citing federal overreach. It would have involved federal agencies in state voter registration efforts.

W.Va. Lawmakers Run Out Of Time On Some Election-Themed Bills

With only three days left in the legislative session, Senate Bill 565 — which in 40 pages updates various provisions of the state’s election law — will not leave the House Judiciary Committee in time to pass the lower chamber.

This legislation would have moved the state’s 10-day early voting period back by four days without altering the amount of time made available to those who want to cast a ballot before Election Day.

It would have shortened the time that clerks have to wait before reaching out to households where registered voters might have moved or died, altered absentee ballot application deadlines and updated the Division of Motor Vehicles’ process for automatically registering voters who obtain a West Virginia driver’s license.

The bill also proposed moving the process for contested election results to the circuit court and creating a misdemeanor for interfering with elections.

The secretary of state’s office has said numerous provisions of this bill were to help county clerks by offering more time to prepare for Election Day. However, advocacy groups and organizations for voters’ rights said during a public hearing Monday that some of these provisions risk making the election process less accessible for West Virginians.

In a statement Wednesday, Secretary of State Mac Warner said the House Judiciary Committee requested more time “beyond the current session” to consider the legislation.

“Taking whatever time is necessary to discuss effective administration of elections instills confidence in our process,” Warner said in a written statement.

House Bill 3307 is another elections-related bill bearing support from Warner’s office that hasn’t left the Senate Judiciary Committee, where it was referred after passing the House last Wednesday. The bill would have authorized Warner’s office to approve informational elections content that a social media platform publishes.

W.Va. Elections Bill Changes Early Voting Dates, Updates Process For Disputed Races

West Virginia elections officials and advocates for voting rights are closely following 40 pages of legislation that would update several voting procedures, including those for early voting, registration and the legal process for disputed results.

With less than a week left of the regular session, the House of Delegates must decide whether Senate Bill 565, which passed the Senate 29 to 5 in March, could help West Virginia voters or harm them.

The secretary of state’s office, which helped draft the legislation, says the bill will have “no significant, major changes” to voters according to general counsel Donald Kersey. He said that the bill is an effort to increase the public’s confidence in elections.

“The point of the bill is to make it even better in West Virginia,” said Kersey. “Not only for voters to be able to participate, but also for the administrators, who have to make sure that an election is fair, and safe and secure, and accurate and reliable.”

Proposed Changes To Early, Absentee Voting

During a public hearing Monday in the House Judiciary Committee, where Senate bill 565 has been referred, most speakers focused on changes to early voting and absentee ballot deadlines.

The legislation would move the state’s early voting period up to six days before an election. Right now, the last Saturday of early voting happens two days before Election Day.

Dozens of speakers, many affiliated with voting rights and advocacy organizations, said Monday that they believe the last two days of early voting — currently the Friday and Saturday before Election Day — are most popular with working-class voters, those who lack reliable transportation and those who want as much time as possible to consider candidates.

“Eliminating them could have an effect on the voter outcome,” said George Rutherford, president of the Jefferson County chapter of the NAACP. “The legislature needs to find ways to encourage more people to vote instead of suppressing the vote.”

Senate Bill 565 does not shorten the state’s early voting period.

Data from the secretary of state’s office shows that since 2014, save for two general elections, the last Friday and Saturday were the most popular of the 10 days allotted for early voting, even if their turnout stood apart from other days by only a few percentage points.

“Sometimes things happen at the last minute and you’re not going to be in town on Election Day,” said Kathy Stoltz of the Wood County League of Women Voters, who spoke against Senate Bill 565.

The bill also would move up the deadline for absentee ballot applications, and it would shorten the time that county clerks have to wait before reaching out to voters who they suspect have moved and need to update their information.

Clerks and their representatives have spoken in favor of these changes because it would offer them more time to prepare for an election.

Patti Hamilton of the West Virginia Association of Counties said that these changes will come in handy should there be another statewide emergency, like a pandemic.

“I can assure you that 55 county clerks did not get together and decide that they were going to try to suppress anyone’s vote,” Hamilton said. “The shift in early voting just gives them a couple of extra days in case of emergency illness, Superstorm Sandy, all kinds of things can happen and get things messed up before Election Day.”

Kersey said these changes to deadlines in Senate Bill 565 also have been informed by input from the United States Postal Service. An attorney for the USPS wrote to the state on Tuesday, noting that the bill “alleviates much of the risk to voters” that their absentee ballots won’t reach their county clerks in time.

Contesting Elections

Under Senate Bill 565, county commissions and municipal bodies would no longer handle cases where someone is contesting the results of an election.

Instead, this process would begin with the circuit court. Kersey said this change follows a contentious race in the small, roughly 230-person town of Harpers Ferry.

As MetroNews reported in June 2020, the state Supreme Court of Appeals agreed to count four provisional ballots that the Town Council originally had voted against counting.

Those ballots made all the difference in a close race, resulting in two new members.

One of those new members, Nancy Singleton Case, ultimately won her election by one vote following the supreme court’s decision. Case spoke in favor of Senate Bill 565 during Monday’s public hearing.

“The current election law nearly prevented me from becoming elected at all,” Case said. “Our election became a political firestorm when the council … chose not to open four provisional ballots in order to hold on to their seats of power.”

Confidence In West Virginia Elections

Kersey said the circuit court change plays into an underlying theme of the bill to increase public confidence in West Virginia elections.

Meanwhile, some in the state have criticized the state’s Chief Election Officers, Mac Warner, for his support of a lawsuit questioning the results of the 2020 election.

Warner participated in a rally supporting the legal effort late last year — Kersey said Monday that Warner’s attendance was in his own personal capacity and didn’t represent his office.

Warner himself said Thursday that he supported the lawsuit because there were “improprieties” in other states where “the rules of the election were changed in the middle of the game” due to the pandemic.

The lawsuit in question, which West Virginia’s attorney general signed onto in December, was dismissed by the U.S. Supreme Court for lack of standing.

Other Provisions

Senate Bill 565 also would expand absentee ballot eligibility to emergency responders who have to work away from their county during an election.

It would create a misdemeanor for anyone who interferes with someone at the polls, with the intention to delay or hinder their vote, and it would update the DMV’s process for automatically registering voters who are obtaining their driver’s licenses.

The legislation would require that anyone participating in a political robocall or “push polling” begin all of their political messages with a disclaimer, who including who paid for the content.

Emily Allen is a Report for America corps member.

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