‘Intelligent Design’ Bill Signed Into Law

A new law tries to define how a teacher might answer a student’s question of how life began. Senate Bill 280 says a public school teacher is not prohibited from responding to questions about scientific theories of how the universe and or life came to exist.

A new law tries to define how a teacher might answer a student’s question of how life began. Senate Bill 280 says a public school teacher is not prohibited from responding to questions about scientific theories of how the universe and or life came to exist.  

Dubbed the “intelligent design” bill, supporters say they hope the vaguely written legislation would open the door to teaching divine creation alongside evolution.

President of the American Federation of Teachers of West Virginia Fred Albert said the bill does nothing, since intelligent design is theology, not science. 

“This was another bill that was looking for an answer for something that doesn’t really exist,” Albert said. “Teachers answer many questions throughout the course of the day, and I think we should trust our teachers’ value in what they do in the classroom and believe that they’re going to make the right choices in how they answer questions of their students.”

Albert said there will be no ”chilling” effect, or any teacher fear of how they answer questions. He said teachers will continue open discussions about the beginning of life.  

“Most teachers would be honest in their responses to a child,” Albert said. “Sometimes your answer is that your own foundation is what you believe, but you don’t try to persuade someone else in a classroom to believe what your beliefs are. A teacher would say, ‘this whole subject of how we came into being is very controversial, and perhaps this is something that you should talk with your family about.’”

A 2005 federal ruling found presenting intelligent design as an alternative to evolution was unconstitutional because it expressed a Christian viewpoint. 

Us & Them: Diminished Trust In Science

Science and research can lead to important breakthroughs, but in a divided America, not everyone trusts the results. In this Us & Them, host Trey Kay speaks with three expert guests before an audience full of curious people at Marshall University in Huntington, West Virginia and asks: How shaken is our confidence in scientists and the scientific process?

Polls and surveys report our confidence is eroding and that we’ve lost trust in one another and in some of our most essential institutions. 

As a followup to an Us & Them event in September at West Virginia University (WVU) on trust in the media, host Trey Kay has a new conversation focused on our trust in science. The COVID-19 pandemic continues to present examples of our differing confidence in science and medicine, but there are other flash points. 

We continue the abortion debate with the central question of when life begins. A few decades ago, evolution was in the spotlight with divisions over the origins of the universe, and of our own species. Now, climate change clearly illustrates our varying understanding about how the world is changing. All of those topics place a spotlight on our confidence in science.

There was a time when scientific advances were heralded – they saved lives, they told us more about our world. But now, some see scientists as villains who are not always worthy of our trust. 

Have we simply lost interest in scientists or in the scientific process? 

Join us for a new Us & Them from a recent live event on the campus of Marshall University in Huntington, West Virginia. 

This episode of Us & Them is presented with support from the West Virginia Humanities Council, the Daywood Foundation and the CRC Foundation.

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Us & Them host Trey Kay leads a discussion about the erosion of public trust in science at Marshall University. His guests were Jonathan Zimmerman, University of Pennsylvania’s education historian and author of “Whose America? Culture Wars in the Public Schools”; Habiba Chichir, Marshall University’s biological anthropologist; and Dr. Adam Franks, MD, associate residency director for Marshall University’s Joan C. Edwards School of Medicine. The event was co-sponsored by Marshall University’s John Deaver Drinko Academy, the West Virginia Humanities Council and West Virginia Public Broadcasting, the broadcasting home of Us & Them.

Earlier this fall, Kay and his team hosted a “Diminished Trust” event at West Virginia University that focused on waning public trust in journalism and the news media. Kay says, “Trust is in short supply in America these days. Across the board and across the political spectrum people seem to lack trust in our government… in many of our agencies and organizations – even in each other. That’s why our Us & Them team is staging these conversations to encourage citizens to consider how long our society can sustain this erosion of trust.”

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A diverse group of students, faculty and community members came to Marshall University’s Drinko Library Atrium to join a live recording of West Virginia Public Broadcasting’s Us & Them.

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Habiba Chirchir is a biological anthropologist and anatomist at Marshall University in Huntington, West Virginia. Her research focuses on understanding the relationship between changes in skeletal anatomy and behavior by investigating trabecular and cortical bones. She conducts comparative analyses of anatomical features in fossil human ancestors, modern humans, other primates and non-primate animals including dogs and big cats using CT imaging. Chirchir earned a BA from the University of Nairobi, an MA from New York University, and a PhD from George Washington University. Chirchir is a research associate at the National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution.

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Dr. Adam M. Franks is a family medicine physician at Marshall Health, and a professor and vice chair of the department of family and community health at Marshall University Joan C. Edwards School of Medicine. Franks’ practice provides full-spectrum care for children and adults, including obstetric and gynecologic care. His research areas include COVID-19 protocols, opioid monitoring protocols and blood borne pathogen exposure monitoring protocol adherence.

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Jonathan Zimmerman is professor of History of Education and the Berkowitz professor in Education at the University of Pennsylvania. A former Peace Corps volunteer and high school teacher, Zimmerman is the author of “Whose America? Culture Wars in the Public Schools” (University of Chicago Press, 2nd ed.) and eight other books. Zimmerman is also a columnist at the Philadelphia Inquirer and a frequent contributor to the Washington Post, the New York Review of Books and other popular publications. Zimmerman taught for 20 years at New York University, where he received its Distinguished Teaching Award in 2008.

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Photo gallery: Members of the audience took advantage of a Q&A session to ask the guests a number of thoughtful questions. Credit: Julie Blackwood

Senate Education Committee Discusses Intelligent Design, Promise PLUS

The Senate Education Committee took up several bills Tuesday including Senate Bill 619, which would allow teachers in public schools to teach something called intelligent design.

The Senate Education Committee took up several bills Tuesday including Senate Bill 619, which would allow teachers in public schools to teach something called intelligent design.

The only definition of intelligent design provided in the bill appears in the enacting clause, simply stating it is “a theory of how the universe and/or humanity came to exist.”

Committee Chair Sen. Amy Grady, R-Mason, said the bill was brought to her by Hayden Hodge, a sophomore at Hurricane High School. Hodge presented in front of the committee, stating the bill is not intended to promote any religious belief but rather allow open, academic discussion.

“That’s what I’m arguing for, teachers could possibly lose their jobs over this when all we’re doing is just offering another idea, another theory. It’s not even teaching this as the answer,” Hodge said. “We’re just saying, allow teachers to just discuss it, talk about it.”

“I’m just stunned that they can’t now just talk about it,” said Sen. David Stover, R-Wyoming, a former teacher. “But even if they can technically, that doesn’t mean they’re not afraid of what might happen.”

Eli Baumwell, the advocacy director with the American Civil Liberties Union of West Virginia, spoke against the bill. He argued that, based on the case Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, allowing the teaching of intelligent design would enable violations of the establishment clause, which prohibits governments at any level in the U.S. from establishing or sponsoring religion.

Sen. Vince Deeds, R-Greenbrier, pointed out that Senate Bill 619 would only allow discussion of intelligent design and not require it, as in Kitzmiller v. Dover. 

“It’s still held that this is ultimately a religious belief. It is not scientific and is not accepted by the scientific community and in promoting it as such, you’re promoting this religiously,” Baumwell said. “Whether or not we are saying you must teach it, or you may teach it, we are still saying you may violate the students’ rights.”

The bill was ultimately reported to the full Senate by the committee with the recommendation that it do pass.

More Promise

The committee moved on to other matters including Senate Bill 638, which would provide bonuses to school personnel for unused personal days, and Senate Bill 1, which would create the Promise PLUS program.

First established in 2001, the Promise Scholarship is a merit-based academic award that pays in-state tuition and fees, or $5,000, whichever is less, at any eligible institution in West Virginia.

The Promise PLUS program would act as a supplement for individuals who meet more rigorous standards so that the total of both scholarships is equal to the actual cost of tuition.

Different from the original Promise award, the bill would also require a Promise PLUS award to repay a portion of the money if the recipient chooses to reside outside of the state immediately after obtaining their degree.

“The way I’m reading this is it sounds more like it’s a forgivable student loan,” said Sen. Charles Trump, R-Morgan. 

“Is that a fair characterization of what you’ve outlined here?” Trump asked Hank Hager, Senate Education counsel.

“Somewhat, but only if you reside outside of the state after graduating from school, then it would be a grant,” Hager said. “If you reside in West Virginia, it would be a grant. If you go outside of the state, then it becomes a loan.”

Senate Bill 1 was also reported to the full Senate by the committee with the recommendation that it do pass.

Us and Them : Under the Microscope-Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is

Back in 2015, we aired an episode called “Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is” that didn’t go over so well with a bunch of our listeners. We received messages saying that Trey mishandled a conversation between a physicist who defends climate science and a former public school teacher who’s an evolution skeptic. With the hope of finding a better way around the culture war aspects of science debates, we’re putting that episode (and ourselves) under the microscope.

Us & Them: Hello Mary Lou!

Mary Lou Bruner, who made headlines with her wild accusations about President Obama is running for Texas State Board of Education. If elected, she’ll be responsible for guiding the nation’s second largest public school system. Could she influence the content in textbooks used across the nation?

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New Episode of Us & Them Focuses on Prize Money to Disprove Evolution, Climate Change Theories

Us & Them host Trey Kay tackles two big issues on the latest episode of the podcast this week: evolution and climate change. And while those issues are obviously divisive, Trey explores a new twist in the battle over these topics.

There are those out there willing to give thousands of dollars to anyone able to disprove their theories. 

Trey spoke with Beth Vorhees about the new episode and how money gets involved in the debates over these topics.

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