Don’t Drive A Tesla? Two Kinds Of EV Chargers Rule The Road, For Now

Curtis Tate spoke with Robert Fernatt, president of the West Virginia Electric Auto Association.

The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, which Congress enacted nearly two years ago, provided billions of dollars to build out a charging network for electric vehicles. 

To get an update on those efforts, Curtis Tate spoke with Robert Fernatt, president of the West Virginia Electric Auto Association.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

TATE: You told me there were 1,900 fully electric vehicles in West Virginia last year, and 1,400 plug-in hybrids. What’s the catalyst for increasing those numbers? Is it charging infrastructure?

FERNATT: I think so, and I think a lot of the folks in our group think so. And we’ve been pushing for additional chargers in the state for many years. Our group worked with the State Parks Commission to get to work to get the level 2 chargers that we’ve got in the state parks. All the state parks that have a lodge have electric vehicle charging. We’ve been trying to get fast chargers at Tamarack but also Charleston and Morgantown are our primary focuses, anywhere we’ve got large numbers of transport vehicles. A confluence of major interstates in those three cities in West Virginia.

TATE: What’s the most popular brand of electric vehicle in West Virginia?

FERNATT: The number one registered electric vehicle in the state across plug-in hybrids, or fully electric, is Tesla. There are nearly 1,200 Tesla’s registered in the state as of 2022. But Tesla is the only brand that has fast charging throughout the state. So I can travel around the state and a Tesla, but I can’t do that in any other brand, practically. So, you know, I think you were seeing more adoption of Tesla vehicles, because they are more practical to travel with in West Virginia.

TATE: Why is Tesla’s charger considered superior to others?

FERNATT: Tesla has always been considered for the past several years, the gold standard in electric vehicle fast charging. And they do have a very nice solution, not just the plug, but also the chargers and all the systems and infrastructure that have to go behind that. So like authorization and billing, and the reliability of the chargers that they’re online and available, and that they just work. So Tesla has all that where a lot of other providers have struggled with that to be kind. And a lot of folks have had very poor experiences with other charging networks. Tesla has really figured out a lot of this. And they started in 2012, with the very first superchargers. So they’ve been doing it for a long time, a lot longer than other folks have been doing it. And their network is much larger than a lot of other folks. 

TATE: But there are other choices, right?

FERNATT: So we’re down to pretty much two, CCS (combined charging system) and Tesla. Tesla is about two thirds of the electric vehicle market in the United States. And then Ford said, we want to adopt the Tesla plug. And they didn’t just adopt a Tesla plug just because they thought the plug was better, even though in a lot of ways it is. But they adopted that plug so they can have access to the supercharger network. Tesla has the largest, most reliable network in the country. So Ford went that direction, then shortly, General Motors followed, then Rivian, then Mercedes Benz, then Nissan. So now we have multiple major manufacturers that are all saying, for North America, we’re going to switch to the Tesla plug away from CCS. Now, with those manufacturers, you’re at 80 plus percent of the electric vehicle market in the country. 

TATE: How long will we be using both? Is it kind of like VHS or Beta?

FERNATT: The Tesla plug has become the de facto standard for the country. But CCS will still have support for a while so I wouldn’t be concerned about that. And as we get back to NEVI, the national electric vehicle infrastructure funding that was part of the bipartisan infrastructure law. That money requires CCS plugs. So if a state is going to put in chargers it will have CCS support. Now a state could say well, it also has to have the Tesla, North American Charging Standard, NACS plug. We’re hoping that a lot of states do that. And some states have already said they’re going to do that. I think Kentucky said they are going to do that. Texas, maybe and there might have been another state. But it’s still kind of early in the, you know, putting out procurements for all the Navi chargers. But we’re seeing some state saying yes, if you’re going to put chargers in our state, you’re going to support both CCS and the Tesla plug.

TATE: What’s the appropriate interval for spacing chargers?

FERNATT: The NEVI program from the feds, it requires chargers every 50 miles, and within one mile of the Interstate exit. So all the chargers that the state is going to put in are going to meet those requirements. The only place where they’ve requested a slight waiver is the distance between Charleston and Flatwoods. Because you know, there’s not a lot between once you leave the Charleston area and a lot to get to Flatwoods and we can’t really we don’t want to put in a fast charger. You know, nothing against Frametown or Servia or Big Otter. There’s nothing at those exits. And if you’re going to stop for fast charging, you’ve got to have amenities. We need restrooms and hopefully a place to grab a bite to eat that kind of stuff. But from this plan, the latest plan, they’re proposing to put a charger in Elkview and in Sutton. So we’ll see and it’s slightly over 50 miles, so the feds may have to approve that. But yeah, the feds are requiring about every 50 miles I think that’s probably a little conservative in this day and age, with a modern electric vehicle doing two to 300 plus miles. They’re rated for that, obviously, depending on how you drive, you might not get that, but it’s a lot more than 50 miles.

TATE: How does the cost of charging an EV compare to a conventional vehicle?

FERNATT: I mean, it depends on you know, some variables. But I mean, if you’re talking about charging at home, electric vehicles are generally a third to a fourth of the expense of fueling, if you’re doing most of your charging at home, which most people are, most of your charging happens at home. If you’re doing a lot of fast charging, fast charging is quite a bit more expensive. So now you might be talking about me, maybe I’m about the same price as a gallon of gas or No, maybe not quite, but you’re getting up there. And it kind of depends on the area too. I mean, I’ve traveled in other states where it’s more expensive to fast charge; West Virginia is not as bad, although prices have gone up some especially since the pandemic. But generally in your daily commute and driving around town, you know, it should be third to fourth of the cost of gas. Back when gas prices shot up, mine, it was about a fifth of the cost.

TATE: What can renters do if they can’t install a charger at home?

FERNATT: That is a challenge. It’s a real big challenge for metro areas where you have a lot of apartment and condo dwellers, and you don’t have dedicated overnight parking. The ideal situation is you’ve got some kind of dedicated parking overnight to put in a charger. If you don’t have access to overnight charging at home, then you hope you can find something. Maybe you have workplace charging, some folks have that available to them. And if you don’t have that, then some folks have taken the plunge and then use the fast charger as their go to charging solution. I don’t know that I would recommend that because it’s quite a bit more expensive than charging at home. So, you know, if you don’t have reliable charging at home and you don’t have it at work, you know, a plug in hybrid might be a better solution, or just the regular hybrid. If you don’t have anywhere to plug it in. If you do you have a place to plug it in occasionally, you know a plug in hybrid might make more sense. But yes, that is an area that’s going to require more work. That is a challenge for the electric vehicle industry in the utility industry to address that issue, especially in metro areas.

Electric Vehicles Can Send Power Back To The Grid, Lawmakers Learn

Widespread adoption of EVs in the coming years could change how electric utilities and transmission operators like PJM manage the grid.

A fleet of electric school buses, like the ones now manufactured in South Charleston, can put power back into the grid during the day.

That, said Lory Murphy Lee, manager of regulatory and legislative affairs for the PJM regional transmission operator, means they can contribute to grid stability.

“It’s no longer a one-way street for plug-in electric vehicles,” she said.

Lee, speaking to the joint Energy Committee of the West Virginia legislature, noted that electric vehicles draw a small amount of power from the grid currently.

But widespread adoption of EVs in the coming years could change how electric utilities and transmission operators like PJM manage the grid.

School districts could be winners, especially when their bus fleets are idle over the summer. That’s a peak time for electricity demand.

Three School Districts Selected For EPA Clean Bus Rebates

Boone County will receive the largest EPA rebate, nearly $1.2 million for three buses.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency announced the latest round of rebates for clean school buses.

Three West Virginia districts received them.

Boone County will receive the largest EPA rebate, nearly $1.2 million for three buses.

Wirt and Wyoming counties will receive $395,000 each for one bus. All of them will be electric.

The three districts are among nearly 400 nationwide that received more than $900 million in rebates for clean school buses under the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act.

The awards will support the purchase of nearly 2,500 buses, 95 percent of them electric.

Districts with large populations of low-income, rural or tribal students were given priority.

Additional awards will be announced in the coming weeks, according to EPA. Funding will also be available for a new round of rebates next year.

The program should provide a boost to Green Power, which began making electric school buses in South Charleston this year. The plant is supposed to produce 40 to 50 buses per month.

EPA Doubles Clean School Bus Rebate Program To Near $1 Billion

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is nearly doubling the original amount for the school bus rebates, announced in May, to $965 million.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is expanding its rebate program for clean school buses.

The EPA is nearly doubling the original amount for the school bus rebates, announced in May, to $965 million.

The agency will also make another $1 billion available for school districts in Fiscal Year 2023.

The popular program received 2,000 applications from all 50 states, totaling $4 billion for 12,000 buses.

The agency said 90 percent of those applications were for zero-emissions electric buses like the ones manufactured by GreenPower in South Charleston.

The remaining 10 percent were for buses powered by propane or compressed natural gas.

Last year’s Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act made the funding available to replace diesel school buses with cleaner ones over the next five years.

W.Va. Company Brings Green Power Industry To The Nation

DC America is a start-up electric charging station manufacturer out of Milton, West Virginia.

DC America is a start-up electric charging station manufacturer out of Milton, West Virginia.

The company’s president, Nathan Bowen, said a local electric firm and general construction firm partnered to build American made charging stations for the country’s planned electric powered car and truck expansion.

“We’ll install the stations. But we’ll also sell and ship to others across the country,” Bowen said. “If they have local contractors, they can install them themselves. We’ve got licenses all across the United States.”

Bowen said the stations use technology that limits underground disturbance and single point connection cuts installation time from weeks to days.

“Typically, a large DC fast charging station might take six to 10 weeks to construct,” Bowen said. “We can do this in our manufacturing facility, bring it out to the site, and then have it rapidly deployed. Within a day or two, you’ve got a working charging station.”

Bowen says DC America’s sales force is lining up advance orders statewide, and nationally, for patent pending delivery in 2023 — orders that include the electric powered fleet charging market.

”They have large trucks,” Bowen said. “There’s a lot of demand in those industries to go towards electrification just because of the cost of electricity. It’s a lot cheaper than running diesel trucks and the cost of maintenance.”

Bowen said the multi-port units cost from $1 to $1.5 million depending on location and utility availability.

West Virginia is committed to having electric vehicle charging stations along all its interstates within five years.

Justice, State And Local Leaders Dedicate Green Power Bus Factory

The company will assemble 40 to 50 school buses a month in South Charleston. Some of them will be purchased by school districts in the state.

Gov. Jim Justice and state and local officials dedicated a plant in South Charleston that will make electric school buses.

A heavy rain Tuesday morning didn’t discourage the governor from taking one of the school buses, called the Beast, on a short test drive.

“They gave me the opportunity to drive this wonderful, wonderful bus,” he said. “And I wanted to take it for a spin and go around you all and go out there somewhere and turn back.”

Justice didn’t get to do that. But he did praise state and local leaders for bringing Green Power to West Virginia.

The company will assemble 40 to 50 school buses a month in South Charleston. Some of them will be purchased by school districts in the state.

Justice and other state leaders said companies like Green Power will help keep young people from moving away. And transport students to school safely, with zero emissions.

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