Lawmakers Talk Latest Action As Crossover Day Comes To A Close

On this episode of The Legislature Today, it was Crossover Day at the West Virginia Legislature, meaning it was the last day for a bill to be read a third time in its chamber of origin. Chris Schulz talks with Dels. Kayla Young, D-Kanawha, and Evan Hansen, D-Monongalia, about the day’s action.

On this episode of The Legislature Today, it was Crossover Day at the West Virginia Legislature, meaning it was the last day for a bill to be read a third time in its chamber of origin. Chris Schulz talks with Dels. Kayla Young, D-Kanawha, and Evan Hansen, D-Monongalia, about the day’s action.

Also, Gov. Jim Justice signed Senate Bill 10 – the Campus Self-Defense Act – into law. The new law authorizes the carrying of concealed pistols or revolvers under certain circumstances and in certain areas on the grounds of an institution of higher education.

A bill purporting to forbid “government limitations on the exercise of religion” now only needs the governor’s signature to become law following Senate action late Tuesday.

And a bill that lawmakers are calling the Women’s Right to Know Act passed the Senate. Emily Rice has this story.

Finally, in the House, delegates considered a flurry of bills, including one that would essentially block the state board of investments from investing in companies that refuse to support fossil fuels. Another approved bill would establish stricter statewide marriage consent laws.

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Senate Sends Religious Freedom Restoration Act To Governor’s Desk

A bill purporting to forbid “government limitations on the exercise of religion” now only needs Gov. Jim Justice’s signature to become law after Senate action late Tuesday.

A bill purporting to forbid “government limitations on the exercise of religion” now only needs Gov. Jim Justice’s signature to become law after Senate action late Tuesday.

House Bill 3042, also known as the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, passed the Senate on party lines after the chamber suspended constitutional rules to advance the bill. 

The bill, which drew fierce opposition during a public hearing last week, was only passed by the House of Delegates Monday morning.

Sen. Amy Grady, R-Mason, presented the bill on the Senate floor. She said the bill would prohibit the government from treating religious persons or institutions more restrictively than comparable secular institutions or persons and create a legal standard.

“The bill also establishes a standard called the compelling state interest test for courts to use when evaluating whether the government has infringed on the freedom of religion,” Grady said. “This judicial standard already applies to all federal laws and is in place in most states.”

Grady went on to highlight a clause that clarifies, “nothing in the new section may be construed to create a defense to protect actions to end the life of an born or unborn person.” She finished by stating that the bill is functionally identical to a 2021 law passed in South Dakota that has not been challenged successfully.

Sen. Mike Woelfel, D-Cabell, asked for clarification on the bill’s purpose, using the closure of churches during the COVID-19 lockdowns as an example.

“As I understand the bill, one of the things that it would do, if I’m correct, would be if there was another COVID outbreak, prevent the state from closing my church and preventing me from exercising my freedom of religion, or as the bill puts it, the exercise of my freedom of religion, is that correct?” Woelfel asked.

“Yes. If other secular institutions are left open, such as movie theaters, shopping malls, casinos then churches cannot be closed,” Grady replied.

Woelfel went on to voice his opposition to the bill, and raised a concern that the clause relating to ending the life of an unborn or born person was designed to discriminate against the Jewish faith. The Torah holds that life begins at the first breath, and Jewish sources explicitly state that abortion is not only permitted but is required should the pregnancy endanger the life or health of the pregnant individual.

“I submit to you the reason that’s in this bill is to discriminate against one group of people. They have the same right to exercise their freedom of religion,” Woelfel said. “Page one we protect the people that see the world the way we do, if we’re Christians, and then page two we deny that same freedom to the Jewish faith. I’ll tell you right now, that’s not going to stay under strict scrutiny. That is not gonna hold up, that will declare this bill unconstitutional. A magistrate court will figure that one out. So that’s what happens when we get in a hurry, respectfully.”

Grady argued that the bill is not for attacking, but rather “a shield” to protect more people in West Virginia. She pointed to similar laws in states across the country that have been in place for more than thirty years without issue.

“This is not a tool to use for discrimination,” Grady said.

Woelfel also raised concerns that the bill would allow challenges to vaccine requirements, as well as existing nondiscrimination ordinances in several cities across the state.

Also known as fairness laws, the ordinances passed by individual municipalities protect LGBTQ people from discrimination in housing, employment and public accommodations.

West Virginia has no statewide anti-discrimination law for its LGBTQ residents.

Sen. Mike Caputo, D-Marion, echoed Woelfel’s concerns.

“There’s 17 cities at least that have adopted fairness ordinances that I believe are in true jeopardy if they are challenged, if this bill passes,” Caputo said. “They’re little rural areas like Sutton, all the way to our biggest cities like Charleston and Huntington and everything in between. We talk about how we want local government to have local control and make local decisions, until it’s something that we don’t like.”

Sen. Ryan Weld, R-Brooke, argued that the legal test the bill establishes would work to protect existing nondiscrimination ordinances passed by cities and towns. He pointed to cities with similar ordinances in Texas, Florida and South Dakota – all of which have passed similar “religious freedom” bills – and argued that by passing such ordinances, those cities have made such protections a compelling governmental interest. 

“If someone were to have a case against a city that had a nondiscrimination ordinance that included that as protected class, the compelling governmental interest would have been to include that protected class,” Weld said. “So because that exists, this piece of legislation cannot be used to, in my opinion, overturn a city’s nondiscrimination ordinance.”

Caputo also expressed frustration that laws like House Bill 3042 go against the purported interest of attracting people to move to the state in the interest of economic development. He said the young people he spoke with were dismayed by this type of legislation.

“They can’t believe we’re even talking about stuff like this. They want a more inclusive West Virginia. They don’t want to be having these kinds of discussions. They just want things to be normal for everybody, regardless of how they feel about certain issues and how they love maybe a little differently than most of us in this room,” Caputo said.

“I’m gonna have to go home and hear about this, of how silly a bunch of old people are talking about the future West Virginia, and how we think it should look,” he continued. “Not how it is, not how the future wants it to be, but how we think it should look and we should make that perfect little picture and go home to our perfect world and I’d like none of this exists.”

Grady argued that such laws in other states have not impeded economic development.

“As a matter of fact, a few, most of the places still show growth,” she said. “Florida, Oklahoma, Arizona, Illinois, North Dakota. They’ve all shown tremendous growth when it comes to economic development and nothing has impeded that growth based on this law.”

The bill passed 30 to 3 along party lines, with one senator absent.

Building Up W.Va. As A Vacation Destination State

On this episode of The Legislature Today, with West Virginia tourism growing as a four season, nationwide destination, there’s an abundance of legislation to enhance hiking and biking, with rail trails and rest stops along the way.

On this episode of The Legislature Today, with West Virginia tourism growing as a four season, nationwide destination, there’s an abundance of legislation to enhance hiking and biking, with rail trails and rest stops along the way.

Assistant News Director Caroline MacGregor has more on this outdoor recreation push with House Minority Leader Doug Skaff, D-Kanawha, who sits on the House Committee of Economic Development and Tourism, and Sen. Mark Maynard, R-Wayne, who is the chairman of the Senate Committee on Outdoor Recreation.

Also, over the weekend, the House and Senate both met for regular floor sessions. The Senate passed four key bills including a tax cut proposal, a bill on employee pay raises for certain employees, a bill to shore up PEIA and a budget bill. Those have all headed to the House.

The Senate and Gov. Jim Justice now agree over the estimated $750 million Senate plan that includes an initial personal income tax cut of around 20 percent, a personal property tax credit for vehicles and a 50 percent personal property tax break on equipment and inventory aimed at small businesses.

The Senate also passed 20 bills Monday on a variety of issues ranging from alcohol consumption to high school sports. Chris Schulz has more.

And the House passed a bill that would create a military funeral honor guard in remembrance of Medal of Honor recipient Woody Williams. The chamber also approved the contentious Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

Finally, representing nearly a quarter million West Virginia senior citizens, AARP maintains a strong lobbying force at the state capitol. On AARP Day, at least two bills top the list to help the elderly, and often, the rest of us as well.

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House Approves Religious Freedom Restoration Act

A bill that looks at religious freedom was up for a final vote in the West Virginia House of Delegates Monday. House Bill 3042 is called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) and is similar to a bill that failed in the West Virginia Legislature in 2016.

A bill that looks at religious freedom was up for a final vote in the West Virginia House of Delegates Monday.

House Bill 3042 is called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) and is similar to a bill that failed in the West Virginia Legislature in 2016.

Supporters argue the state needs the law so residents can challenge government regulations that interfere with their religious beliefs. 

Those in opposition say the proposal will be used to discriminate against LGBTQ people and other marginalized groups.

Del. Mike Pushkin, D-Kanawha, attempted to amend the bill twice. One proposal would have required businesses to post signage in their windows saying what kind of people they would not serve. Pushkin’s amendments ultimately failed.

During full debate of the bill, Pushkin argued what he felt were the true intentions of the legislation.

“This is about whether or not somebody should be able to be kicked out of their apartment because they’re gay, somebody should be fired from their job because they’re gay, somebody’s refused service in somebody’s store simply because they’re gay,” Pushkin said. “If you believe that, go ahead and vote for it. I think you’re better than that. Vote against this garbage.”

Some delegates, such as Del. Todd Kirby, R-Raleigh, argued the intent of the bill is to protect individuals, such as school teachers, from having to speak in support of lifestyles they don’t agree with. 

“Such things as promoting transgenderism, homosexuality, in our classrooms, in our grade school classrooms,” Kirby said. “And these policies are sold to the American public and to the labor unions, the teachers unions, as being open, which that may be the intention. But what is happening is these teachers and administrators rights are being violated. Their religious beliefs are being infringed upon, because they’re being forced and compelled to speak in a way that violates their religious beliefs.”

Other delegates in opposition argued the bill could cause medical discrimination if a doctor or pharmacist doesn’t agree with a patient’s lifestyle. 

“Let’s say somebody, an unmarried woman, comes in for birth control. Can a pharmacist refuse to fulfill that prescription?” asked Del. Evan Hansen, D-Monongalia. “What if a gay man comes in for an HIV pill? Can they refuse to fulfill that prescription? I think that’s what this is about. It’s about whether a doctor can refuse medical care.”

The bill’s lead sponsor, Del. Jonathan Pinson, R-Mason, told the body the law would not determine what is right and wrong but rather create a judicial process in state code for situations where religious freedom comes into question. 

“We’re not determining something to be illegal,” Pinson said. “Rather, we’re creating a judicial test. We’re giving statutory instructions to the judiciary, that when a RFRA case where someone would allege that a law that we pass in this body or a local municipal ordinance or county ordinance is in violation of their religious conviction, that the judiciary is to use this to point us to a two question test: number one, is their compelling state interest? And number two, is the state acting in the least restrictive means possible?”

The House debated House Bill 3042 for more than an hour, and it passed 86 to 12

It now goes to the Senate for consideration. 

Speakers Clash Over Religious Freedom Bill At Hearing

Some people said West Virginia needs a law to codify the right of residents to challenge government regulations that interfere with their religious beliefs because of growing threats to their constitutional freedoms.

Others who spoke during a public hearing at the state Capitol Friday said they are worried the proposal advancing in the Legislature will be used as a tool to discriminate against LGBTQ people and other marginalized groups.

“Exercising your religion does not mean discriminating or condemning people because they do not have same beliefs as you,” said Jessica Eplin, who said she is worried about how the proposed law could affect her as an atheist and her child, who is transgender.

The bill, which passed the House Judiciary Committee earlier this week and is now before the full House of Delegates, would require a government entity to have a compelling reason to burden someone’s constitutional right to freedom of religion and to meet its goals in the least restrictive way possible.

A similar bill failed in 2016 after lawmakers voiced concerns about how it could affect LGBTQ residents. Then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch Carmichael wiped away tears on the Senate floor as he spoke in support of Democratic-proposed amendment that would bar the legislation from being used to discriminate against LGBTQ people.

The bill also dictates that the proposed law could not be used to permit access to abortion, which was banned by West Virginia lawmakers last year. The provision was included as abortion rights groups are challenging abortion bans in some states by arguing the bans — supported by certain religious principles — violate the religious rights of people with different beliefs.

Republican sponsors say the bill has good intentions. Del. Chris Pritt of Kanawha County, who is a Christian, said the bill would make West Virginia attractive to economic development. He said it’s not just about protecting Christians, but religious minorities in the state, too.

But Catherine Jones, a gay woman, said the bill would do nothing but “legalize discrimination against already marginalized communities.” She said she fears the bill could allow businesses to challenge city ordinances prohibiting discrimination in housing or employment based on sexual orientation or gender identity.

“I should not be afraid of not being served at a restaurant because I have a different relationship than you do,” she told lawmakers. “This bill will do nothing but spread hate and violence across our state.”

At least 23 other states have religious freedom restoration acts. The laws are similar to the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton, which allows federal regulations that interfere with religious beliefs to be challenged.

Eli Baumwell, advocacy director and the Interim executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of West Virginia, said the 1993 federal law was designed to designed to protect people, especially religious minorities, from laws that affected their ability to engage in personal practices of their faith.

“Unfortunately, people have seized upon a good idea and turn it a shield into a sword,” said Baumwell, who spoke in opposition to the bill. “RFRAs today are promoted by organizations and ideologies and aren’t concerned about individual religious observances. They’re focused on circumventing laws that require fair and equal treatment.”

People who spoke in support of the bill said they were concerned about the government imposing vaccination requirements against people’s religious beliefs and restrictions during the COVID-19 pandemic that limited in-person worship in states across the U.S.

Monica Ballard Booth said she supports the bill because she wants to see equal protection for people of all faiths. “Since some have questioned why this was necessary, I’ll tell you why it’s necessary: Christians are the most persecuted group in the world,” she said.

Pastor Bo Burgess of West Virginia Baptists for Biblical Values said he doesn’t believe the bill could be used to discriminate against anyone — it’s about protecting people from discrimination, she said.

“This legislation doesn’t allow me or a business to go around and attack other people groups,” he said. “There’s no people group language in the bill.”

Baptist Pastor Dan Stevens of Wood County said people like him want the same benefits of equal protection as people who oppose the bill.

“We live out our firmly held religious beliefs and convictions about marriage, the family, human sexuality, the value of human life from conception to the grave without fear,” he said. “This bill designed not as a tool of discrimination used by people of faith but to protect the people of faith against discrimination for those who are opposed to our beliefs and our lifestyle.”

Public Hearing To Focus On Government, Religious Freedoms

The law would establish a judicial test if a complainant said a government action, with a few compelling exceptions, would substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion. 

A public hearing is set for Friday on a bill “relating to forbidding government limitations on the exercise of religion.” The contentious proposal failed in 2016. 

Del. Jonathan Pinson, R-Mason, is the lead sponsor of House Bill 3042 called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. The law would establish a judicial test if a complainant said a government action, with a few compelling exceptions, would substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion. 

Pinson used the example of a Mennonite legally compelled to place an orange rather than a white slow moving vehicle sign on the back of a horse and buggy. 

“A white reflective placard is just as effective at warning motorists of a slow moving vehicle as a bright orange one. Orange is not against my religion, I don’t have a conviction against it,” Pinson said. “But there are religious minorities that do have a conviction against it. So the long story short, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act is to protect religious minorities and to protect religious conviction.”

Del. Joey Garcia, D-Marion, is among those lawmakers saying religious freedom is already guaranteed by the First Amendment, and has concerns that the bill would nullify anti-discrimination protections enacted by West Virginia municipalities.

“It could strike down any law that we already have on the books based on somebody saying that it interferes with their religion,” Garcia said. “However, it’s not necessarily religious activities. It’s in the daily things that we do. It’s whether somebody can get a job, whether somebody can get housing. There’s a lot of situations where there may be discrimination and I think that this is a type of bill that can be used to allow a group of people to discriminate against someone else and use religion as an excuse for that.” 

Pinson said the federal government passed a Religious Freedom Restoration Act in 1993 and since then, 31 states have enacted a form of the act, either in code or by judicial edict. He said the law has not been used to thwart local anti-discrimination protections. 

Garcia said he knew of several situations where anti-discrimination problems with the law did come into play. 

West Virginia’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act was advanced by the House Judiciary Committee to the House floor.

The Judiciary Committee will host a public hearing on HB 3042 from 4 to 5 p.m. Friday, Feb. 24 in the House chamber. Sign-ups to speak will begin at 3:30 p.m. in the chamber.

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