Hi, How Are You: Remembering Musician, Artist Daniel Johnston

West Virginia-raised musician and artist Daniel Johnston died this week at the age of 58. Known best for his earnest and harrowing lo-fi pop songs, Johnston remained an underground hero for most of his life. His influence, though, continues to stretch across musical and artistic genres — and around the world.

Whether you’ve heard of Daniel Johnston or not, here’s a quick warning: There’s really no way to fully condense his life and work into a few minutes worth of radio or a short written article. 

There are full-length documentaries for that — films that show a brilliant, yet tortured person. There are flashes of genius interspersed with dark stories about psychotic episodes, bad hallucinogenic trips, and unrequited love.

In the backdrop, of course, are songs that have inspired countless people.

I had the pleasure of speaking to Johnston by phone once, in 2011, for a piece I was writing for the West Virginia-focused alternative magazine Graffiti. 

He told me about growing up in New Cumberland, in Hancock County, and — even as a teenager — he felt a struggle to find acceptance while being himself. 

“When I was young, there was no bands that didn’t play top 40 music,” Johnston said. “There weren’t any new music, original music bands. I had bought a synthesizer and I had an organ and an electric piano, trying to get into one of those bands. I knew ‘Free Bird.’ But I didn’t quite make it into these bands all the time.”

But that early rejection didn’t stop Johnston from dedicating himself to the craft of songwriting. He obsessively recorded nearly every idea he had. 

“If I met anybody or somebody was interested, I’d go home and make up a tape for them. And that’s what I did forever,” Johnston said. “I really felt like I was a star for some reason, because my friends liked the tapes so much. And we would always have a party and pretend that we were on David Letterman and interviewing each other. We were a bunch of crazy people.”

Johnston made those recordings at his parents’ home. In 1981, he released his first proper album, Songs of Pain — a cacophony of found sounds, piano and Johnston’s voice emitting a wavering, yet calculated, stream of consciousness.

His impact stretches far and wide — countless musicians have cited him as an inspiration. To be sure, some of Johnston’s work rubbed off on those who grew up in West Virginia — including one-man folk-punk dynamo J. Marinelli, originally from Morgantown.

“For me, I think that he was really the first musician that I ever got into that kind of showed me that — at the end of the day — it’s the song and just the delivery of the song matters infinitely more than how the song is produced or whether or not it is done in the ‘right way,’” Marinelli said.

Marinelli got the chance to meet Johnston when they performed on the same billing at a music festival in Louisville, Kentucky in 2008.  When Johnston left behind an empty bottle of Mountain Dew, Marinelli quickly grabbed it as a souvenir. The Mountain Dew bottle was ultimately gifted to another West Virginia musician, Tyler Grady of the Morgantown pop-rock outfit Goodwolf.

(Johnston wrote a song about Mountain Dew while being treated for mental health disorders at the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum in Weston, West Virginia.)

Local folklore aside, Marinelli points to the song “Wild West Virginia” as being a key connection between Johnston, his home state and genius-level songwriting.

“It should be associated with the state of West Virginia as much as that damn John Denver song — which is also great, don’t get me wrong,” Marinelli said with a laugh. “But, the first time I ever heard [“Wild West Virginia”] I was just like, ‘Wow! You really got it’ — ‘Crooked politicians, crater bomb roads,’ you know, all that stuff.”

When I spoke to Johnston eight years ago, he told me his fantasy was to attain the same level of fame as The Beatles. He acknowledged his passionate fans who applauded wildly when he would take the stage or finish a song. Even so, he was always aiming for something bigger.

“I’m famous, but I’m still not on the cover of Rolling Stone yet,” Johnston told me. “I mean, I’m not that popular as far as like big time. But that’s what I want to try.”

Johnston’s face never did make it on the cover of Rolling Stone while he was alive. The magazine did report on him from time to time and did offer an obituary upon news of his passing. 

More importantly, Johnston did have legions of fans — millions of people who saw the beauty in the simplicity of his songs.

A lot has been written about Johnston’s struggles with mental illness. It’s impossible to find a story that doesn’t mention that part of his life. 

But what made Daniel Johnston so great — at least in my mind — had nothing to do with mental illness. In fact, Johnston’s greatness was in spite of it. 

He was earnest and warm. Awkward and unpolished, but ultimately sincere.

Daniel Johnston saw the world for what it truly was — people just wanting to feel loved and accepted.

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From West Virginia Public Broadcasting and A Change of Tune, this is 30 Days of #WVmusic, the interview series celebrating the folks who make the West Virginia music scene wild and wonderful.  

And today’s interview is with a noisy lo-fi one-man European-touring machine who hails from Morgantown, West Virginia. This… is J. Marinelli.

J. Marinelli’s latest release is Stray Volts. Hear more #WVmusic on A Change of Tune, airing Saturday nights at 10 on West Virginia Public Broadcasting. Connect with A Change of Tune on FacebookTwitter and Instagram. And for more #WVmusic chats, make sure to go to wvpublic.org/wvmusic and subscribe to our RSS / podcast feeds.

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J. Marinelli

Interview Highlights

On his musical beginnings:

What I do essentially is write songs and perform them using foot percussion, basically an up-ended drum set that consists of a high hat, snare drum, and bass drum I play with my feet. I play guitar and sing on top of that. I was lucky enough to grow up in an environment where playing music and being creative was encouraged. I started playing drums in a couple of bands and switched over to guitar. Over the years, I’ve switched back between the two, and then I did them at the same time.

Before I got into the punk stuff, I was in the marching band. As far back as 6th grade, I started playing the snare drum in the school band. The first show I saw when I was 13 was The Go-Gos with A Flock of Seagulls opening in Morgantown. I saw other bands like that, poppish/new wave bands. I guess I’ve always been more exploratory than most listeners. The steps from The Go-Gos to the Sex Pistols and the Clash aren’t that far.

On being inspired by Morgantown producer/rocker Mark Poole:

The first band I saw him in was The Larries, which was in the mid-80s. 63 Eyes grew out of that band. Those first shows were really amazing, watching them form and becoming friends with them… Mark and Todd Burge, especially. My interaction with him as a recording engineer wasn’t even with my band, it was my sisters band, a riot grrl king of thing. They recorded a 7-inch in his kitchen on a four-track cassette recorder. I was amazed at the sound he got out of that four-track. I think that might have been what first pointed me toward recording and keeping things lo-fi. Lo-fi doesn’t necessarily mean crappy; it can sound good if you do it right. 

On moving to Lexington, Kentucky, from Morgantown, West Virginia:

My wife got accepted to the Ph.D. program at the University of Kentucky, but it turned out to be a good move. I felt like I was stagnating in West Virginia, working like three jobs, and I still couldn’t make rent. And I’m talking good jobs, like teaching jobs [laughing]. It’s the reality of living in West Virginia. I was doing my best to be active as a musician, but I couldn’t because I had no time. At the time, the cost of living was cheaper in Lexington than it was in Morgantown, so it was a huge bonus.

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J. Marinelli performing in Huntington’s Ritter Park in 2016.

If there weren’t all these cool people doing things in West Virginia, I probably wouldn’t come as often as I do. Like the scene in Huntington, which is super active and super supportive. And Mark [Poole] up in Morgantown. Kin Ship Goods has become a community center. I’ll always go back to West Virginia. There might be a conscious or gut feeling to that.

On the significance of DIY communities/venues:

A lot of the West Virginia music scene centers around bars. And that’s the case to a lesser degree in Lexington, where it’s centered around breweries… which is God-awful. It’s important to get away from the whole alcohol thing. Like alcohol is fine, and I imbibe one in a while, but I don’t think it’s the be-all, end-all. It’s closely connected to music to a degree I’m not personally comfortable, and I like the idea of getting away from that. It’s not like I refuse to play in bars; I’ll pretty much play about anywhere and have a good attitude about it, but it’s good to change the dialog.

The crowds are a bit different too. In a DIY sort-of pop-up space, people are there more for the music than anything else.

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Cover art for ‘Stray Volts,’ designed by Charleston’s Kin Ship Goods.

On his latest release Stray Volts:

I wouldn’t say there’s a theme going on around it, but when I was writing some of the songs in early 2016, it was about the then-upcoming election. The title refers to being distracted by everything around you and being unable to focus. Most of them focus around this idea of being overloaded with information and unable to focus on your own life and evolving.

I recorded it in the way that I usually do, at home on a four-track cassette recorder. I still use that; I’ve yet to evolve past that stage.

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Show poster from J. Marinelli’s European tour.

On touring Europe:

Before I went over there for the first time in 2014, I had never been there before. I heard that audiences were just enraptured by you, and I wanted to check it out. My buddy who does some of my booking over there was in town and played a show with Tyler Childers, and I think the next day I talked to him about it. So I worked with him and with the first tour, I flew into Vienna, Austria, went to France, Germany, all completely awesome. I had a day off in Paris; that couldn’t possibly be bad [laughing].

One of the shows I’ve played, maybe the best show I’ve ever played, was in Rosenheim, Germany. Before I even set up, there were people in line to buy merchandise and records and stuff. My wife was doing merch and was like, “He hasn’t even played yet, you don’t know… he could suck, and you’ll regret it.” And they were like, “No, we buy now,” and it turned into an insane gig. Audiences are fun, and you get set up in a cool hostel. The shows pay very well. To a degree, people do that in the U.S., but even more so there… plus you get to go and visit castles.

Music featured in this #WVmusic chat:

J. Marinelli- “Stray Volts”

J. Marinelli- “Madison Girls”

J. Marinelli- “The Common Come-On”

Support for 30 Days of #WVmusic is provided by Kin Ship Goods, proud supporter of DIY music and the arts. Locally shipped worldwide at kinshipgoods.com.

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